A 'man of destiny' can be bad, and one can believe in historical forces working through a figure while also rooting for that figure's opponents, just as one might recognize Napoleon's historical significance while supporting Wellington.

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Ross Douthat

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Someone can be a man of destiny and be bad... worthy of opposing... like rooting for Wellington against Napoleon

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Ross Douthat on Trump, Mysticism and Psychedelics | The Ezra Klein ShowThe Ezra Klein Show
Created: 8/11/2026, 6:54:49 AM

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