Klein challenges Mark's statement by noting that parental stress and burnout are the actual barriers: knowing you shouldn't be on your phone while your child asks for attention for the 17th time at 5:45 AM after a poor sleep doesn't change the behavior—the behavior only changes when overall well-being is better (sleep, work boundaries, recovery).

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Speaker

Ezra Klein

Evidence Quote

if you're gassed out attentionally then just having been scolded...that's not going to do anything you're still going to look at your phone

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Tired? Distracted? Burned-Out? Listen to This.The Ezra Klein Show
Created: 8/12/2026, 6:46:08 PM

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