Tucker Carlson held isolationist and nationalist views long before Trump, as evidenced by arguments Stephens had with him about Afghanistan years ago, suggesting that Trump did not create Carlson's isolationism but rather gave it a political vehicle.
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“the isolationism the nationalism that's been there for uh I think a fairly long time I know for a fact that it it predates Trump because I once was in a argument about Afghanistan with him [12:35]”
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What Happened to the Republican Party?: A Conversation with Bret Stephens (Episode #329)— Sam HarrisCreated: 8/12/2026, 9:43:35 PM
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