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Richer, Wiser, Happier Q1 2023 | What We Learned From Ray Dalio & Charlie Munger (TIP538)


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Stig Brodersen talks with co-host William Green, the author of “Richer, Wiser, Happier.” They discuss what has made them Richer, Wiser, or Happier in the past quarter

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IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL LEARN: 00:00:00 - Intro 00:02:14 - How to think about investing with an asset manager that yields a lower return and has good values, or an asset manager with a higher return and bad values 00:25:59 - The role of money vs. happiness for billionaires  00:50:17 - What Stig and William learned from Ray Dalio 00:56:25 - Why pain + reflection = progress 01:25:15 - What Stig and William learned from Charlie Munger 01:38:28 - Why William bought Alibaba and Seritage Growth Properties  01:57:09 - Which investing books made it to the top 5 for Stig and William for Q1 2023, and why

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Building a rich, wise, and happy life requires aligning your investments, partnerships, and daily structure with your authentic values, personality, and temperament rather than chasing maximum returns or external validation.

  • Choosing honorable partners and aligned-incentive fee structures matters more than slightly higher returns
  • Understanding your own wiring through personality assessment enables you to work with complementary people and avoid self-destructive decisions
  • Autonomy, meaningful relationships, and intellectual engagement produce more lasting happiness than wealth accumulation itself

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The investment principle of avoiding 'standard stupidities' is underrated and simpler than trying to find brilliant insights; investing successfully often requires only avoiding obvious errors like overpaying, investing in things you don't understand, investing with dishonest managers, and chasing obsolete business models.

normativehigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 4/4· William Green

I think the most powerful lesson I've learned from Joel Tillinghast, I think is avoiding what Munger calls standard. Stupid. It is.

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Pain combined with disciplined reflection produces learning and growth; the psychological mechanism is that pain signals misalignment between your beliefs and reality, and reflection extracts the lesson, converting emotional damage into a permanent update to your mental model.

causalhigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 4/4· Ray Dalio (quoted by William Green)

most people will choose not to reflect. As a matter of fact, in 1925 be Russell, he had this wonderful quote in his book, the ABC of relativity. Most people would die sooner than think, in fact, they do.

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In capitalist systems, business obsolescence is structural and inevitable; dominant companies with strong competitive moats, deep technical expertise, and market dominance eventually decline and die as newer technologies and business models emerge, making permanence an illusion in investing and requiring continuous acceptance of impermanence when evaluating businesses.

factualhigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 4/4· Charlie Munger (with William Green synthesis)

the business world is very much like the physical world. Where all the animals die in the course of improving all the species so they can live in niches and so forth. All the animals die and eventually all the species die... the same system applied to what happens in capitalism, to all the businesses... they're all their way to dying.

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Successful long-term investing requires margin of safety—overbuying or paying rich multiples for hot growth stocks is a common mistake during bull markets when everyone is making money and irrationality becomes intoxicating, creating systematic undervaluation of risk.

factualhigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 4/4· William Green

Think of the number of people who overpaid for hot tech stocks in the last year, where they got just eviscerated because they paid 10, 20, 30, 50, a hundred times sales.

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Relationships are the fundamental determinant of a happy and abundant life more than wealth or status, and investing time in cultivating deep friendships and partnerships—particularly with honorable, trustworthy people—produces lasting satisfaction that money alone cannot buy.

normativehigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 4/4· William Green

when you're thinking about what you want to clone from the greatest investors or the richest, most successful people in the world, you don't want to clone the wrong thing, right? So you don't want to assume that enormous amounts of money. Are going to make you happy... What I think is much more important is the relationships. It's who you are hanging out with.

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The brain consumes approximately 25% of total body energy despite being only 2-3% of body mass, making it metabolically expensive and therefore evolutionarily wired to conserve cognitive effort, which means most people will choose not to reflect deeply on their failures even when reflection is necessary for learning.

factualhigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 4/4· Stig Brodersen

So the brain is two, 3% of your body mass, but consumes 25% of your portfolio. And what that means is that your brain is wired to be lazy. It doesn't really want to work unless you force it to work.

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Competition is fundamentally brutal and impersonal in capitalism; dominant market positions erode over time regardless of competence or effort, and businesses that assume they can repeat past success without constant vigilance and adaptation are vulnerable to disruption and eventual obsolescence.

factualhigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 4/4· Charlie Munger

And to have IBM have a huge position it once had in terms of utter dominance, and now it's just one of the also ran and it still an admirable place. I'm sure they have a lot of talent left in IBM. It doesn't help you, you die even though you're talented and hardworking.

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Continuous learning and intellectual curiosity are fundamental to long-term investing success, and investors should treat themselves as 'learning machines' by systematically studying the principles that have worked across different domains and time periods rather than chasing novel trends.

normativehigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 4/4· William Green

There's something really central to learn from Gautam about I never quite know how to pronounce it, Gotham, Gautam... there's something really admirable about the way he set himself up to be a continuous learning machine.

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Fee structures in financial management reveal the true incentive alignment; managers who earn only from performance (not fixed assets under management) and who have personal skin in the game (family capital in the fund) signal integrity, while asymmetrical fee structures (fixed fees regardless of performance) signal that the manager profits from size, not quality.

factualhigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 4/4· William Green

there's no annual management fee. And so he gets a percentage of the profits if he gets good performance but if he doesn't perform, he doesn't get paid anything... Mohnish Pabrai, who I think you invested with at one point has a very similar structure, and it's cloned from Buffett's structure in the 1950s partnerships that he had.

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Market cycles create pendulum swings from fear to greed, undervaluation to overvaluation, and credit availability to credit constriction, and understanding this cyclicality helps investors avoid being swept into false scarcity or false abundance.

factualhigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 4/4· William Green

there's this kind of pendulum effect where the market goes from fear to greed, or complacency to terror, overpriced to underpriced... there's creative destruction. You have to set yourself up to survive an uncertain future.

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Most actively managed funds underperform the market, and even among those that do outperform, the success often depends on rare temperamental and intellectual advantages (calmness, rationality, discipline, competitiveness) that cannot be easily copied; therefore, for most investors, low-cost index funds are superior to active management.

factualhigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 3/4· William Green / Charlie Munger / Jack Bogle

Becky asked Munger how many asset managers that were worth their fees, and he said, 5% or less.

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Simple rules and commitments—like not eating before noon, avoiding sugar entirely, or holding stocks for a minimum of 5 years—are powerful commitment devices that reduce willpower drain and behavioral error by eliminating daily decision-making and the temptation to rationalize exceptions.

normativehigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 3/4· William Green

I think having a few simple rules in life is hard. Like, like when I just decide, for example, that I'm not going to eat in the morning, I won't eat before noon. That's pretty helpful. And then when I decided I wasn't going to eat any sugar this year, that was pretty helpful.

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High-quality, durable consumer brands command pricing power and economic value not just from consumer preference but from habit formation—consumers often don't vary what they drink or wear, creating switching costs and reduced competition that justify premium valuations when purchased at reasonable prices.

factualhigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 3/4· Stig Brodersen (referencing Bruce Greenwald and Joel Tillinghast)

advertising spending can be an investment more than an expense. And even management themselves can't always distinguish between economic goodwill. Or just cast out the door... you can ask a company or brand like Louis Vuitton, whether they feel that advertising is money up the door.

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Luxury and heritage consumer brands command sustained premium valuations because they sell identity and history—consumers pay for belonging to a status group or ownership of a symbol of excellence—unlike commodity goods, and this pricing power persists across decades if the brand maintains exclusivity and heritage narrative.

factualhigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 3/4· Stig Brodersen / William Green

Batan... his net worth is more than 200 billion. He's the founder, chairman, and Chief executive officer, L V M H... he's said that Steve, I think people will still be drinking Dony Young in 30 years. We are selling part of history.

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Index funds with ultra-low expense ratios (0.04-0.17%) provide an elegant solution for most investors by offering diversification, tax efficiency, and avoidance of both active management fees and the behavioral mistakes that come with stock-picking, making passive index investing rational for anyone without genuine competitive advantage.

normativehigh valueestablishednovelty 0/4durability 4/4· William Green

I own a Vanguard Total International Stock Fund and a Vanguard Total Stock Market Index Fund. And I think one of them the US Fund has a 0.04 expense ratio and the international one is 17%. So incredibly low expenses.

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Diversification is both necessary and psychologically difficult because it requires you to own assets that will underperform in the short term, fighting the temptation to concentrate in what seems obviously superior, but the discipline to diversify is what allows you to survive inevitable miscalculations.

normativehigh valueestablishednovelty 0/4durability 4/4· William Green

even though I'm trusting certain people to behave in an honorable way, I'm still diversifying in case I'm wrong. So I remember John Templeton telling me many years, For regular investors, you should probably own five or six funds that give you exposure to different parts of the market.

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When selecting investment partners or fund managers, the alignment of their financial incentives with yours—particularly through fee structures where they suffer losses alongside you or benefit only from outperformance—is more important than marginal return differences, because misaligned incentives create systematic conflicts of interest that erode trust.

normativehigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 2/4durability 4/4· William Green

I wouldn't hesitate to take the lower return to invest with the person I trust and like, and to avoid the person that I think is kind of shady or unpleasant or selfish or just out for themselves.

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Even decent people can behave unethically when under financial pressure, so the optimal strategy is to structure your life—through lower debt, modest lifestyle, and reduced financial stress—to minimize the temptation and opportunity to act poorly rather than relying solely on character.

causalhigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 2/4durability 4/4· William Green

even Warren is vulnerable under certain circumstances where he could behave poorly if he were under pressure financially. What about the rest of us? The rest of us are that much more vulnerable.

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The tendency to attribute success to skill and failure to external factors is psychologically natural but economically destructive; genuine learning requires honest reflection that assumes failures reveal your flaws rather than bad luck, which allows you to update mental models and avoid repeating mistakes.

causalhigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 2/4durability 4/4· Stig Brodersen

I see the leg of that all the time, not the pain part. We see pain everywhere, but the reflection part, you know, I meet so many people where in investing, and whenever they make a really good investment, it's because of their skills, of course, cause of the skills. And then if they lose money, it's bad luck.

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Honesty about your own limitations and flaws is liberating and enables problem-solving, while shame and denial perpetuate problems; identifying a weakness explicitly allows you to design systems that compensate for it.

normativehigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 2/4durability 4/4· William Green

And his response is like, no, that's great. And so he's not looking at my embarrassment about. This floor in my wiring and my personality or whatever it is he's looking at it and saying, what a fantastic thing. You've identified this enormous thing that's an obstacle for you.

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The concept of 'poor rich people and rich poor people' captures the insight that wealth is not the primary determinant of life quality; someone can be financially wealthy but psychologically impoverished (stressed, isolated, purposeless), while someone with modest means can be wealthy in relationships, meaning, and peace of mind.

definitionhigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 2/4durability 4/4· William Green

there are people who are incredibly rich externally, but actually are incredibly poor. And that's it. It's difficult cause there's some part of us, as you were saying before, people like to gloat about the problems of the rich.

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Buffett and Munger's success is built not primarily on intellectual brilliance alone, but on their ability to form deep, trusting, long-term partnerships with honorable people, and this partnership model is replicable and more important than any individual investing technique.

factualhigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 2/4durability 4/4· William Green (citing Munger and Buffett)

his entire success is built not just on his intellectual brilliance, but actually on his partnership with others.

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Understanding your own personality type, cognitive style, and wiring—particularly your strengths and weaknesses—through structured personality assessments allows you to build a life and partnership structure that plays to your strengths and compensates for weaknesses rather than fighting against your fundamental nature.

normativehigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 2/4durability 3/4· William Green

I can now see that my deficiencies in areas like efficiency, orderliness, systematization, practicality, it's not because I'm recalcitrant, it's not because I'm not trying hard, it's actually how I'm wired... I have to find people to partner with who are more systematic.

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The act of explicitly deferring gratification—structuring compensation systems where payment is delayed or contingent on long-term performance—embeds the principle of thinking long-term into the system and removes the temptation for short-term extraction.

normativehigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 2/4durability 3/4· William Green

we should build in deferred gratification. So let's see how it does after a year. And so I basically structured it so that I wouldn't get paid a penny for a year over a year. That's kind of nuts, but it's sort of, but there's, but it built in a principle that I think is really valuable, which is the deferral of gratification, thinking more long term.

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Individual investors often cannot distinguish between their emotional attachment to an investment idea and genuine analytical conviction, leading to irrational purchases driven by admiration of the manager or tribe membership rather than sound analysis, and this bias can be mitigated through cooling-off periods or structural rules.

causalhigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 2/4durability 3/4· William Green

there's an irrational desire to buy something, almost as a way of declaring my psychological and emotional allegiance... That's a weird quirk in my character... it's not very rational when it comes to picking stocks or cryptocurrencies.

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Most people prefer to optimize for something other than maximum financial returns—whether happiness, engagement, time autonomy, or alignment with personal values—and this is rational if they understand the tradeoff, as long as they structure their life around that optimization target rather than adopting it as an afterthought.

normativehigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 2/4durability 3/4· Stig Brodersen / William Green

I optimize for happiness. I know it probably comes across as naive. But it's one of the things I'm thinking a lot about... I just don't want that life. Even if it came with a prophet, because I optimize for happiness.

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Working backward from your desired destination—the lifestyle and freedom you actually want—is more effective than starting with a return target, because it clarifies how much wealth you actually need and prevents you from taking excessive risk chasing returns that don't increase real happiness.

normativehigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 2/4durability 3/4· William Green

you have to start I think with starting with the destination... working backward to figure out the inputs that'll get you there.

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Beyond a certain threshold of financial security, additional wealth produces diminishing returns on happiness, and the primary factors that determine life satisfaction among wealthy individuals are autonomy, meaningful relationships, intellectually engaging work, and aligned-incentive partnerships rather than asset accumulation or luxury consumption.

factualhigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 2/4durability 3/4· William Green

when I think of my financial goals, I want to be financially independent and free and able to do whatever I want to do. I don't need to drive a Ferrari, I don't need to have the fanciest house.

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Choosing to study 'eminent dead'—reading great thinkers and historical figures—provides access to distilled wisdom and perspective that shifts your worldview more than contemporary media, and this should be deliberately structured into your environment.

normativehigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 1/4durability 4/4· William Green

Munger talking about hanging out with the eminent dead by reading certain things... you want to structure your entire ecosystem so that you're less likely to succumb to the less noble side of your character.

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Excessive debt and financial stress reduce behavioral optionality and increase vulnerability to unethical temptation because they eliminate the psychological and financial buffer that allows you to choose principled action over desperate self-preservation.

causalhigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 1/4durability 4/4· William Green

living within your means, not having excessive debt. So you'll panic not being so, not having such an expensive lifestyle that you need to take advantage of other people.

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Most people are not honest with themselves about their actual competitive advantages in investing; asking 'do I have a competitive advantage in this domain?' is uncomfortable, and most investors who have to ask the question don't actually have one.

factualhigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 1/4durability 4/4· William Green

when I said to Ed Sop, how can I tell if I have any competitive advantage? He said, if you're having to ask that and you don't really have a good answer, then you probably don't.

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Life design requires starting with clarity about your values and what you actually want, not what society or your ego says you should want, and this requires ongoing self-reflection and willingness to admit misalignment between your stated values and your actual choices.

normativehigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 1/4durability 4/4· William Green / Stig Brodersen

figure out like, what do you care about? What are your values? What's a priority for. And then you look back and you are like, well, how can I possibly have taken that job with those people? Like, what, why would I ever have thought that would work?

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Capital allocation decisions (both in personal finance and in business) are fundamentally about choosing which tradeoffs to accept, and the best decisions come from being explicit about which dimensions matter most (returns, lifestyle, ethics, relationships) rather than pretending to optimize all dimensions equally.

normativehigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 1/4durability 4/4· William Green

You want to invest with talented, capable, driven people and in good businesses, but I think you, I, you know, you are not just optimizing for profits. I mean that's not the most important thing for me.

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Holding periods of multiple years (5+ years) on stock purchases reduce behavioral error and impulsive selling by forcing investors to live with their decisions, creating psychological commitment that makes them more thoughtful at the purchase stage.

normativehigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 1/4durability 3/4· William Green

I have a five year rule, so I'm really trying to prevent myself from doing stupid stuff because I sort of have to live with my stupidity if I mess up... if you know you're going to have to live with it, you'll make fewer bets.

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Ted Turner's experience shows that even unlimited wealth cannot compensate for loss of autonomy; after his company merged with AOL and he became a minority shareholder, he felt constrained despite being a billionaire, illustrating that autonomy is often more valuable than additional wealth.

factualhigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 1/4durability 3/4· Stig Brodersen

he, full intent purposes had all the money in the world. At least whenever you are looking for my vantage point, whether you have a hundred billion more Buffett money, or you have a billion dollars called me Ted money. It's the same... he talked about this painful period of his life where he was doing the merger. He was like now I'm a minority, shareholder, minority, and voting rights. He couldn't really do what he wanted to do.

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Bill Miller's autonomy and intellectual engagement in his work—which he structured deliberately by retiring from managing other people's money and focusing only on his own portfolio—demonstrates that the best 'retirement' for some people is not cessation but redirection of energy toward what genuinely engages them.

factualhigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 1/4durability 3/4· William Green

he's basically responsible now for his own portfolio, which basically consists for the most part of three investments... he is able to concentrate massively in a way that he couldn't for regular shareholders... he's investing in a way that's totally true to himself. Total autonomy.

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Creating cost-sharing or success-sharing arrangements in business partnerships where both parties bear losses equally or share profits creates stronger alignment than traditional fee structures, because it eliminates the asymmetry where one party profits regardless of the other's outcome.

normativehigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 2/4durability 3/4· William Green

it was built on kindness. And he said that originally they were going to structure it so that they would be 50-50 shareholders in that, in the hedge fund business... whereas Zak was being tortured working at Deutsche Bank... Nick could easily have demanded a better deal, and he's like, it'll be 50/50. And then Zak says, no, I want you to have 51% and me to have 49%.

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Margin of safety is not just a valuation concept but a foundational principle for life design—maintaining financial buffers, avoiding debt, and building flexibility allows you to make ethical choices and absorb shocks without panic.

normativespeaker onlynovelty 2/4durability 3/4· William Green

you want to structure your investments in a way that gives you peace of mind. Right? If you are... having peace of mind in your investments, in your schedule, in your things like exercise and meditation, you know, you have to really think about how they're going to help you build equanimity.

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Charitable giving and contribution to causes that have shaped your own success creates both meaning and social responsibility; Bill Miller's $75 million to Johns Hopkins philosophy and $50 million to the Santa Fe Institute reflects his view that success creates obligation to strengthen institutions that enabled that success.

normativespeaker onlynovelty 1/4durability 3/4· William Green

Bill has given I think he gave 75 million to Johns Hopkins to the philosophy department... he's given them I think a gift of 50 million... So he is helping his alma mater... it's not just that he's got a yacht and a private plane and stuff, which he does have, which is nice... but he's also giving money away to things that that have helped him

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Most people fail in investing not because they lack intelligence but because they fail to apply simple principles consistently, and watching documentary evidence of how skilled risk management works (like the film Free Solo) teaches behavioral lessons that books alone cannot convey.

normativespeaker onlynovelty 1/4durability 3/4· William Green

It's a brilliant example of risk mitigation. What this guy does, and I think it's all about survival. It's all about risk. It's all about trying to take considered risk, intelligent risk so that you'll actually survive.

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Transparency about financial performance and business challenges strengthens partnerships because it signals trust and allows partners to be realistic about planning; deception or hiding problems creates distrust and breaks partnerships more destructively than honest bad news.

normativespeaker onlynovelty 1/4durability 3/4· William Green

whenever I've asked you for advice on stuff, you sort of say, well, yeah, here's my view, but just do it, you know, trust your own instincts. So you're giving me tremendous support and in autonomy at the same time... when I asked you whether I should be getting paid more money recently you were totally transparent about the situation.