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The AI Bubble is COLLAPSING in South Korea, The World is Next...


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Some unexpected bad news out of South Korea has implications for AI and a lot more. The investment boom triggered by ChatGPT has been a critical support for especially the Asian economy. Now there are signs it is cooling off along with a further setback in autos. Inopportune timing, to say the least.

Eurodollar University's conversation w/Steve Van Metre

Bloomberg South Korea’s Economy Ekes Out Growth as BOK Assesses Risks https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-10-23/south-korea-s-economy-ekes-out-growth-to-emerge-from-contraction

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Sharpest takeaway

The AI investment boom, which has been one of the few sources of global economic strength, is showing early signs of faltering—evidenced by South Korea's near-recession, ASML's plunging orders, and companies unable to justify massive AI spending—and its collapse would expose deeper structural weaknesses in the global economy that rate cuts cannot fix.

  • South Korea's GDP stalled with weakness in construction investment and exports, signaling the AI boom may be weakening earlier than expected
  • Semiconductor equipment makers like ASML are seeing orders plunge, suggesting companies bought chips without genuine demand or use cases
  • Rate cuts are a response to weakness, not a solution; the real problem is consumer income constraints and labor market misalignment from 2021 overstaffing, which monetary policy cannot address

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South Korea's GDP was at a standstill in the latest quarter following a small contraction the quarter before, with construction investment and exports responsible for the weakness, creating near-recession conditions.

factualhigh valueestablishednovelty 2/4durability 2/4· Unidentified Speaker — The AI Bubble is COLLAPSING in South Korea, The World is Ne… [SYoOxmP-JoU]

GDP was at a standstill in the latest quarter and that was following a small contraction during the quarter before in the worst part is it was construction investment and exports that were responsible for the weakness in fact it was so weak it was a near recession in Korea

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When companies reduce orders for semiconductor fabrication equipment, it creates a reverse bullwhip effect throughout the industry, leading to falling orders for suppliers of suppliers.

causalhigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 3/4· Jeff

then as they start to pull back on their new facilities that leads to as steep always points out fing orders for a whole bunch of other stuff and then it's almost like a reverse bull whip effect but within an industry and Technology

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Factory workers in manufacturing earn above-average incomes compared to service sector workers, and their job losses create immediate, measurable ripple effects: reduced foot traffic and sales at restaurants, lower tips, and weakening consumer demand in affected regions.

causalhigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 3/4· Steve Van Meter

Factory workers in their cities they usually make an above average income compared to the services sector and they spend it and next thing you what do you start hearing what we're seeing right now restaurants saying man foot traffic's down and sales are down and tips are down and everyone's starting to worry

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ASML (maker of state-of-the-art chip manufacturing equipment) is reporting that orders for their equipment have plunged dramatically, not gradually, indicating a sharp drop in demand.

factualhigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 2/4· Steve Van Meter

a dut company asml they build these high-end The Most Extreme Machines for building chips state-of-the-art machines what are they saying do orders for their equipment literally just plung not a little bit but like right off a cliff

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The AI investment boom across Asia has been one of the few sources of strength for the global economy as the global economy has headed in the wrong direction.

factualhigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 2/4· Unidentified Speaker — The AI Bubble is COLLAPSING in South Korea, The World is Ne… [SYoOxmP-JoU]

the AI bubble in stocks has had a real impact on the global economy particularly Asia the investment boom has Unleashed has been one of the few sources of strength for the global economy as the global economy has headed in the wrong direction

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South Korea's weakness is not solely due to AI investment faltering, but also reflects weakness in automobile exports—another sector showing global demand weakness alongside China's trade partner difficulties.

factualhigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 2/4· Jeff

with South Korea it's not just about AI either we're also seeing weakness in exports of automobiles which is another huge sour spot for the global economy we've heard from automakers all over the map from the United States to especially Europe the European car business is in real deep trouble and now South Korea is saying we're seeing the same kind of weakness especially with our major trade Partners in China as well as other places around Asia

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The fundamental problem limiting demand is not high interest rates but weak consumer finances: low savings rates, slowing income growth, softening labor markets, cut hours, and elevated debt levels affect consumers globally.

factualhigh valuecontestednovelty 1/4durability 3/4· Steve Van Meter

Consumers and the problem is as you know their savings rates are low their income growth is slowing the labor market starting to get soft hours work they getting cut and debt levels are too high consumers no matter in the US or all over world they're facing the same issues here

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The core problem is a misalignment between the amount of work available and the number of employees still employed, which will continue to drive labor market weakness until this imbalance is corrected.

factualhigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 3/4· Steve Van Meter

so long as that the and balance continues to be you know misalignment between labor market demand actual labor market demand the misalignment between the actual amount of work that labor is supposed to do and what the amount of employees that are still employed the labor market is going to continue to be weak

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Even before recent high interest rate period, auto sales lagged and never recovered from the pandemic, indicating that rate levels are not the primary constraint on auto purchasing.

factualhigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 3/4· Jeff

that's not what the data actually shows even before we got to high rates auto sales lag behind and never actually recovered from the pandemic

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Rate cuts stimulate demand only to the extent they pull forward consumption that would have happened anyway—if someone was going to buy a car in a few months, a rate cut might accelerate the purchase by months, but it doesn't create new demand from those without income to support purchases.

causalhigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 3/4· Steve Van Meter

if I'm going to go out and buy an expensive car and rates get cut maybe I was going to wait a few months but hey all of a sudden rates get cut and I was going to buy it anyway so maybe it pulls some demand forward but if I don't have the income to buy it it doesn't matter what a rate cut does

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Researchers acknowledge that export momentum in South Korea has sputtered unexpectedly early, earlier than anticipated, suggesting the AI investment cycle may be shorter than previously assumed.

factualhigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 2/4· Jeff

no one knew the export momentum would sputter so early that's a that's a questionable statement there but with uncertainties rising over the US economy and War risks intensifying in the mid East they are likely to meet expectations talking about the general economy

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Tech companies can manufacture spending through new product releases because they generate billions of dollars in revenue, enabling them to inject capital into the economy for AI and other investments.

factualhigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 2/4· Steve Van Meter

these tech companies well they manufacture money I mean they just have so much of it they come out with a new device or new product and next thing you know billions of dollars are rolling in so they can afford to inject lots of money into the economy

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Companies are buying AI chips and making large AI investments without clear understanding of what the technology will do or how it will generate revenue, following the pattern of past technology bubbles.

factualhigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 2/4durability 3/4· Steve Van Meter

we've talked about this before not on our show here but we've talked about how AI fits the classic mold of brand new disruptive technology whenever it shows up like in the dotc era or even the social media wave that that that hit the world a couple years ago um essentially these new disruptive Technologies show up and everybody wants to be a part of it while it's new and everybody just kind of hopes that someone will figure out a way to make it useful and then not just make it useful then make it into a packageable product that people can make money off of that seems to be where are in AI people are throwing massive amounts of Investments not just real not just stock market Capital but actual investments in these places building productive facilities almost hoping that while they're doing this that someone somewhere will figure out some way to use this Ai and make it into a profitable product

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Facebook reported that its revenue growth offsets (and is beginning to outpace) its spending on AI, suggesting the company may be finding ways to monetize AI that justify investment.

factualhigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 1/4· Steve Van Meter

what did we hear from Facebook recently they said hey our income our revenues offset a lot of our spend on AI

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Central banks would prefer to have rate cuts already in the pipeline before economic weakness arrives, so they can claim to be responding proactively and blame external factors rather than monetary policy for any deterioration.

factualhigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 2/4durability 3/4· Steve Van Meter

the idea that you know Central Bankers they they would love to probably have some rate Cuts in play here before this happen so they could at least say hey we were doing our part now you and I know the rate Cuts aren't going to make any difference but that doesn't matter because people think they do and that's the perception that really does matter here

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When the Federal Reserve cuts rates, new orders from manufacturers tend to decline, not increase, which is counterintuitive to policy theory but empirically observed.

factualhigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 2/4durability 3/4· Steve Van Meter

we know that's exactly why you tend to see when fed's cutting rates new orders across manufacturers they don't go up they go down

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Companies are beginning to face Wall Street pressure to justify their massive AI spending and demonstrate return on investment, with consequences coming potentially in fourth quarter or first quarter earnings.

forecasthigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 2/4durability 2/4· Steve Van Meter

there is a point where Wall Street says spend billions and tens of billion dollars on AI and we're excited about how you're going to make so much money and what did we hear from Facebook recently they said hey our income our revenues offset a lot of our spend on AI and that's interesting because what we're going to start to see is companies have to justify the amount of money they're spending and then what's going to happen is say hey if you're not generating Revenue off this investment or we know see a path to it you're going to get hammered by it that's the risk that's probably coming I wouldn't say obviously this quarter but it's possible when we get fourth quarter earnings or even first quarter next year that wall Street's going to really start scrutinizing this investment and saying look youall spent a lot of money we need to see some return on it

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Currently, AI is being used primarily as a branding tool rather than for genuine functional capability, as companies race to add 'AI' to products like new iPhone editions to stimulate sales.

factualhigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 2/4durability 2/4· Steve Van Meter

it might sell new iPhones just remember it's the new AI Edition you know you might get some sales off that yeah it's more of a branding thing than anything right now which is another indication of where we're going

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South Korean companies are in early stages of pulling back on building new AI fabrication facilities because they are uncertain about having use cases for equipment they have already built.

factualhigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 2/4durability 2/4· Jeff

we're okay we're not necessarily pessimistic on it or we haven't changed our mind but we're going to pull back on building new stuff because we're not really sure we have a use for the stuff that we've already built and that's just the first step in the process because then as they start to pull back on their new facilities that leads to as steep always points out fing orders for a whole bunch of other stuff

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Rate cuts do not revive demand when companies face genuine demand problems: Volkswagen shutting down factories due to lack of demand will not restart operations because of a 50 basis point ECB rate cut.

factualhigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 1/4durability 3/4· Steve Van Meter

the reality is is a company like vwag talking about shutting an entire Factory down in Germany because they don't have demand if the ECB says hey we're going to cut another 50 basis points do you think the executives and V MERS say oh 50 basis points well never mind turn the factory back on let's crank out some cars because demand's coming back and we know that's not true

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The AI boom will follow the pattern of previous disruptive technology waves with a huge runup, then a decline, before settling into a more efficient and productive trend leading to longer-run success.

forecasthigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 1/4durability 3/4· Steve Van Meter

if the a I bubble and boom and this this entire wave works out the way it does in past waves then we see this huge runup and then there's this decline before it finally settles into a more uh more efficient and productive uh productive uh Trend that leads to longer run success

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The underlying economic problem originated in 2021 when companies mistakenly staffed up to permanent levels based on a misinterpretation of that year as a sustained recovery plateau rather than a temporary post-pandemic surge.

causalhigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 2/4durability 3/4· Jeff

the real problem here goes back beyond all that I mean it's not going to be solved by R Cuts anyway the reason why the labor market is soft to begin with is because way too many companies around the world bought into 2021 as a recovery they thought that this was a permanent plateau of prosperity and so they staffed up as much as they possibly could

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China's government stimulus measures (the so-called Beijing bazooka) do not appear to be fixing the weakness in the Chinese economy according to market assessments.

factualhigh valuecontestednovelty 1/4durability 1/4· Unidentified Speaker — The AI Bubble is COLLAPSING in South Korea, The World is Ne… [SYoOxmP-JoU]

the weakness in China that is at least according to many mark markets that is not look looking like it's being fixed by what the B the government in China has doing with its so-called Beijing bazooka

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The idea that companies will suddenly increase spending once elections conclude, or that consumers will increase spending because election uncertainty is resolved, is false—the real issue is demand, not election-induced restraint.

factualhigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 1/4durability 2/4· Jeff

the idea that okay once the ctions are over that's just going to free up spending that companies are just executives are sitting there go like God as soon as we know who's in the White House let's write some checks that consumers are just sitting on their credit card saying hey you know what I don't want to go and spend because I just don't know who's going to be in office that's ridiculous

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The AI bubble is not yet bursting outright, but all signs are aligning to show we may be at the inflection point where growth is peaking and beginning to slow down at a particularly inconvenient moment economically.

factualhigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 1/4durability 2/4· Jeff

it's not like the AI bubble is bursting right now but all of the signs are starting to line up that at the very least we're in the rising to the top and slowing down before going over and it's at a particularly inconvenient in opportune moment

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Multiple warning signs suggest that weakness is starting to accumulate and accelerate: initial slowness at first, but increasingly picking up speed.

factualhigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 0/4durability 2/4· Steve Van Meter

it starts slow at first but it looks to me like it's picking up speed here

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Certain news outlets have begun acknowledging that even after elections, the underlying issue will be weak demand rather than policy uncertainty.

factualestablishednovelty 0/4durability 1/4· Steve Van Meter

I saw it today Jeff an article that said that there's of course election uncertainty but we know that's going to be over here pretty soon and they said but what if the issue is with demand