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Creating Multi-Grafted Fruit Trees with Sam Van Aken | The Tree of 40 Fruit (Eps 65)


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In this episode, Susan Poizner interviews Sam Van Aken, the visionary behind the Tree of 40 Fruit, a single tree with multiple grafted fruit varieties. Dive into the fascinating world of multi-grafted trees and learn the secrets behind creating your own multi-grafted apple tree, peach tree, or other fruit-bearing wonders.

Sam shares his expertise on grafting techniques, the artistic and practical benefits of multi-grafted fruit trees, and how grafting can extend your fruit harvest season while saving space. Discover how you can grow multiple fruit varieties on a single tree, transforming your garden with the beauty and productivity of multi-grafted trees!

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Guest Link: https://www.samvanaken.com/ Full Podcast: https://podcast.orchardpeople.com/episodes/episode-65-creating-a-tree-of-40-fruit Related Article: https://orchardpeople.com/grafting-fruit-trees/

Curious about grafting fruit trees? Visit our guide for step-by-step tips and techniques: https://orchardpeople.com/how-to-graft-fruit-trees/

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Chapters: 00:00 Introduction 03:32 How did the Tree of 40 Fruit Project Start 04:26 The mix of blossom colors 05:25 Multi Grafted tree branch placement 06:05 The first Tree of 40 Fruit Exhibition 07:56 Number of varieties grafted onto each tree 08:41 How interstock grafting works 09:30 Best rootstock for multi-graft stone fruit trees 10:13 Santa Rosa plum rootstock history 10:57 Types of fruit on a Tree of 40 Fruit 11:53 Myrobalan rootstock compatibility 12:22 Interstock as a "highway" between cultivars 14:16 New Tree of 40 Fruit projects 16:21 Multi graft apple trees 18:05 Downside of multi-graft trees 20:35 Examples of multi-graft trees 23:12 Grafting apple with stone fruit trees 24:39 Multi-graft tree maintenance 29:10 Commercials 34:00 Mid show topic reminder 36:27 Why grafting works 38:13 Relationship between rootstock diameter and tree health 40:45 Cultivar choices for Tree of 40 Fruits 41:50 Client requests for Tree of 40 Fruits 43:18 Growing multi-fruit trees indoors 44:07 Cooling hours necessary for fruit trees 45:00 Working with artists from communist regimes 47:48 Tree of 40 Fruits in Canada 48:34 Map of Trees of 40 Fruits 49:05 Sam's website address 49:43 Viruses in tree cuttings (scions) 51:52 Sam's family's view of his work 53:25 Sam's art for sale 54:10 Show contest 55:40 Show wrap up

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Sam Van Aiken demonstrates that multi-grafted fruit trees combining 40+ varieties on a single tree are technically feasible, artistically valuable, and practically viable for home gardeners despite requiring specialized knowledge and ongoing maintenance.

  • Grafting compatibility depends on cellular structure alignment; interstock varieties act as bridges between genetically distant fruit types
  • Tree of 40 Fruit projects are customized by regional agricultural history, making each tree unique and historically rooted
  • Multi-grafted trees require equivalent care to single-variety trees but offer extended harvest seasons and serve as living art installations

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Multi-grafted fruit trees carry significant viral contamination risk if scion wood is shared from infected trees through casual scion exchanges; Taylor (admin of Backyard Apple Growers Facebook group) stopped grafting multi-variety trees to avoid spreading viruses to friends' trees, preferring to keep varieties segregated on separate rootstocks.

factualhigh valueestablishednovelty 2/4durability 4/4· Taylor (Facebook commenter, Backyard Apple Growers)

for those who do graft, multi graft fruit trees, please do not share Scion wood from them. Once I realized how prominent viruses are in fruits like apple, and how much scion is passed around from person to use to graft with, I stopped grafting, multi variety. There is too much chance to infect all your scion with the virus and then you're giving it away to other people.

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Luther Burbank developed the Santa Rosa plum in the early 20th century (~turn of the 20th century) by crossing Japanese plums, American plums, and Chinese plums, creating a variety with unusual genetic history and high compatibility for multi-grafting purposes.

factualhigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 4/4· Sam Van Aiken

Santa Rosa was developed by Luther Burbank, probably about the turn of the 20th century. And he came up with these varieties crossed Japanese plums with American plums and a Chinese plum. So they have this crazy genetic sort of history

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Grafting works because when two fruit varieties are grafted together, their cells merge and the tree's vascular system feeds both the base tree and the grafted variety, allowing genetically distinct trees to grow as one organism while each branch retains its original genetic identity and fruit type.

causalhigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 4/4· Sam Van Aiken

essentially compatibility between tree, between fruit varieties depends on the cellular structure as you graft them together right after the graft heals. Those cells essentially merge. And the tree's vascular system is what feeds both, both the base tree and the variety that you grafted on top.

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Rootstock diameter does not directly communicate to the grafted variety that it has been grafted, so the grafted variety doesn't always 'know' it's on a rootstock, which can lead to some size mismatches between rootstock and scion as trees age.

causalhigh valueestablishednovelty 2/4durability 3/4· Sam Van Aiken

the root structure that you graft onto is gonna have a different grow rate than the tree that's on top. Like the, any tree that you graft on top of a root structure doesn't necessarily know it's been grafted onto a root structure, that isn't communicated from the roots to the tree itself. As the tree ages and matures those the tree that you top worked onto the root system can sometimes be smaller than a root structure that bulges

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Creating a story about a multi-grafted tree reverting to its rootstock (producing only the original rootstock fruit type rather than grafted varieties) is a myth; while reversion is theoretically possible, it is extraordinarily rare—millions of grafted trees are produced annually, and reversion has not been documented in practice.

factualhigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 4/4· Sam Van Aiken

I've heard a one story about a tree that. It's a myth. But , that's one tree once upon a time that reverted to the root stock. But that's out of, you have to think millions and millions of trees that get grafted every year.

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Apple viruses and stone fruit viruses are prevalent in both Canada and the United States, making virus-indexed scion sourcing a critical practice for multi-grafted tree production.

factualhigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 4/4· Sam Van Aiken

there's virus there, there's certain stone fruit viruses that are in Canada as well as the us There's tons of apple viruses

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Grafting cannot successfully join apples with stone fruits (or other inter-family fruit combinations) because at a base level it comes down to cellular structure incompatibility, and even if grafts like pear-to-apple might succeed for a few years, they eventually fail.

factualhigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 4/4· Sam Van Aiken

So there's something about the biology of the apple tree and the biology of the stone fruit types of trees that is just not going to use the graft will never take, is that the thing? Correct. Yeah. It, at a base level it comes down to cellular structure. Okay. So even with palm fruits, if here to take pears graft to apples, They might be successful for a few years, but eventually fail.

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Growing fruit trees inside a commercial building is possible but challenging and requires either dropping the temperature below 45°F for at least 1,000 hours annually (to trigger dormancy and bud reset) or building a controlled glass house greenhouse that can simulate seasonal temperature cycles.

factualhigh valueestablishednovelty 1/4durability 4/4· Sam Van Aiken

You're gonna have to drop the temperature below 45 degrees for a thousand hours or build a glass house where you could do that. And the reason for that is that fruit trees need to go dormant. Every year. They need to have time. They need to have a certain amount of cooling hours. So that's for most apple trees say that's a thousand hours below 45 degrees, and at which point the buds reset and they get ready to blossom for the following spring.

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All fruit trees require hands-on care, pest and disease management, and specialized pruning knowledge; naive expectations of zero maintenance will result in poor outcomes; fruit trees are a commitment similar to puppies—they require feeding, care, protection, and attention.

normativehigh valueestablishednovelty 0/4durability 4/4· Susan Poizner

I've been growing fruit trees for over 10 years now, and all fruit trees need hands-on care. All fruit trees get pest and disease problems. All fruit trees need specialized pruning. It's not rocket science, but you need to know what you need to do and you need to do what you need to do. So anybody who's naively going in and thinking, I'm gonna get one of those trees, I'm not gonna prune it, I'm not gonna protect it from p and disease. You may not have a positive experience.

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The Tree of 40 Fruit produces blossoms in a carefully sequenced color progression: starting with white blossoms from apricots and Asian plum varieties, followed by pink blossoms from red leaf plum varieties, then dark crimson, pink, and white blossoms from peaches and European plums, creating clusters of blossoms on branches that look like little clouds—a visual effect achieved by deliberate placement of each variety on specific branches rather than random arrangement.

factualhigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 3/4durability 4/4· Sam Van Aiken

They start off with a white blossom. So those will be apricots and Asian plum varieties. I've been able to source some Asian or red leaf plum varieties that have pink blossoms. So they're white and then pink. And then after the Asian plums, then it's the peaches and European plums and the peaches have really dark crimson colors and pinks and whites. it's almost like little clouds or clusters of blossoms on each of the branches.

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The cold-hardiness of a multi-grafted tree depends on the hardiness of the varieties grafted onto it; colder climates require selecting only zone 4 or zone 5 varieties to ensure tree survival.

factualhigh valueestablishednovelty 0/4durability 4/4· Sam Van Aiken

in terms of cold hardiness, they're gonna be as hardy as the varieties that you graft onto them. So if I am placing a tree in a colder environment, I'm only gonna select varieties that are, zone four, zone five

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Apple and pear trees grow slower than stone fruit trees, and testing varieties to understand their blossom timing and sequential blooming patterns requires extended observation periods before designing trees with coordinated blossom displays.

factualhigh valueestablishednovelty 0/4durability 4/4· Sam Van Aiken

it took a while cuz I test out all of the varieties to see their blossom first and then I record when. Blossom in relationship to each other. So apples they also grow apples and pairs grow slower than stone fruit. And so it just took a while for me to get enough information where I could make a tree like that

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Sam is working with a Japanese biotech firm that has found a natural way to graft inter-family plants, and on a smaller scale they're working with plants to graft bouquets of flowers that can continuously grow, suggesting future possibilities for cross-family fruit grafting.

forecasthigh valuefringenovelty 3/4durability 2/4· Sam Van Aiken

Although I am working with a Japanese biotech firm that has found a natural way to graft inter-family plants. So grafting the, we're working on right now, it's a smaller scale. We're working with plants that you can graft an entire bouquet of flowers to so that continuously grows.

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Sam is working on a Spanish mission peach tree project for Arizona that traces and collects historically authentic Spanish mission peach varieties introduced to North America via the Camino Real (the royal road from Mexico City through New Mexico where Spanish missions were built); Native Americans cultivated these peaches for 200-300 years and traces still exist, making it a living reconstruction of agricultural and colonial history.

factualhigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 3/4durability 3/4· Sam Van Aiken

I'm working on a project now actually for Arizona that are It's all about the Spanish mission peaches. There used to be the Communo Royal that ran from Mexico City into New Mexico, and it's where the Spanish built missions and it's where they first introduced peaches into North America. And those peach seeds escaped. And they were cultivated by Native Americans for two, 300 years and there's still traces of them. So we're trying to track down as many as we can to create one of those Spanish mission peach trees.

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Artists in former communist Poland after the transition to capitalism (early 1990s) were labeled 'dissonant' and it was illegal for them to make art; they held clandestine exhibitions in living rooms and abandoned buildings, risking jail time and passport revocation if caught; young people from the US witnessing this recognized art's political importance in a way Americans typically dismiss.

factualhigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 2/4durability 4/4· Sam Van Aiken

right after I got out of undergrad, he I went to Poland. And I just got dropped into Poland, and this probably dates me, but this was the early nineties, so this is really a year or two after they transitioned from communism to capitalism. And it was almost, it was like lawless to be honest. And the thing that was really impressive to me is the artists that that I worked with, they were considered dissonant, which under the communists meant that they couldn't by law make art, right? So it was illegal for them to make art. And what they did is they would have art exhibitions in living rooms in abandoned buildings, and ran the risk that if they were caught, they would have to do jail time. They'd have their passports revoked, and the government felt that art was so important. That they tried to limit who could officially make it.

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The main limitation of multi-grafted fruit trees from an industrial agriculture perspective is that they produce a limited number of fruit continuously across a 4-5 month season (June through early October) rather than a large uniform harvest all at once, making them impractical for mass agriculture but ideal for home gardeners who can pick 20 pieces of fruit per week at peak and have fresh fruit for 12 weeks.

factualhigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 2/4durability 4/4· Sam Van Aiken

from an agriculture perspective, the, from mass agriculture perspective, the downside is that it produces a limited number of fruit from June through. You can even pick fruit, beginning of October, right? Whereas, industrial ag, they want to be able to harvest everything at one time, move through an orchard. It works out great if you have one in your yard because you can pick, at its peak you can pick 20 pieces of fruit a week and have fruit for 12, 12 or so weeks out of the year.

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Sam Van Aiken started the Tree of 40 Fruit project because his great-grandfather grafted fruit trees (whom he never met but family described as having magical capabilities), and growing up on a farm then attending art school, he merged both influences by wondering if he could control how tree blossoms appeared in spring to sculpt the blossom of a tree.

factualhigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 2/4durability 4/4· Sam Van Aiken

I started because I wanted to have one for myself and it actually started from a bunch of diff different places, but I had my great-grandfather grafted fruit trees, so I had never met him, but everybody in my family that talked about him, spoke about him as if he was a magician or had some magical capabilities. So I, I had always, as I grew up on a farm, I went to art school, which was exactly the opposite of farming. And, but grafting always kept coming back to me, and I knew that you could grasp stone fruit together. And then I started to wonder if I could control how the blossom appeared in spring, right? So I could essentially sculpt the blossom of a tree.

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In upstate New York over the past 6-7 years, erratic weather patterns have required Sam to grow fruit varieties from colder zones than his location because successive frosts (not cold temperatures themselves) kill blossoms; for example, January or February 75-degree weather causes trees to blossom early, then spring frosts kill all the fruit, so later-blooming cold-hardy varieties mitigate this risk.

factualhigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 2/4durability 2/4· Sam Van Aiken

here in upstate New York with how erratic the weather's become in the past six or seven years, I actually have to grow varieties that are from a colder zone. Because one of the things that happens it isn't necessarily the cold that kills the tree, it's just the success of frosts that kill the blossoms and you don't get the fruit. And there were several years where we had 75 degree weather. In January or February, the trees would blossom and the frost would kill it. They'd kill all the fruit. And by using cold hard, your fruit that blossoms later, you can avoid that.

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Every multi-grafted Tree of 40 Fruit sold is customized for the specific geographic and climatic location; some customers request specific fruits they want included, though most allow Sam creative freedom; he researches historical fruit varieties from the region and sources them from USDA germplasm collections or UC Davis Foundation Plant Services to ensure virus-free stock.

factualhigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 1/4durability 3/4· Sam Van Aiken

They usually let me do what I want, but then some people will they'll have special requests. It's, they're like, but I'd really like to have apricots on there.

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In China, commercial warehouse operations successfully grow two crops of peaches annually by artificially controlling weather conditions inside warehouses, demonstrating that technology can override natural seasonal constraints.

factualhigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 1/4durability 3/4· Sam Van Aiken

in China, they're actually doing warehouse grown peaches where they can grow two two crops of peaches by controlling the weather within in the warehouse each year.

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Marion, a California home gardener, has successfully created multi-grafted trees with 450 different apple varieties on one tree, 60 pear varieties on one tree, a 30-in-one plum, a 30-in-one citrus, an 8-in-one avocado, and an 8-in-one persimmon; her neighbor's fruit garden has become a conversation piece and tourist attraction despite being a personal hobby experiment.

factualhigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 2/4durability 3/4· Marion (Facebook commenter, Northern California)

Marian has developed her grafting skills and listened to what she's been up to. Marian writes, I have created a 450 and one apple, so one apple tree with 450 different types of apples on it. She's also created a 60 in one pear, so one pear tree with 60 different varieties. She's created a 30 in one plum, a 30 in one citrus, an eight in one avocado, an eight in one persimmon

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Sam grows the multi-grafted trees in square planters for the first 2-3 years, then root prunes them and transfers them to larger containers, gradually working up through progressively larger containers before planting in the ground; he grafts 15-20 varieties onto each tree before they are planted in soil, because once trees exceed 1-1.5 inch caliper size, they take longer to establish in the soil than saplings.

factualhigh valuespeaker onlynovelty 2/4durability 3/4· Sam Van Aiken

I grow them in my nursery is I grow them in a square planter. When I exhibited them, I could just take the sides off and it's just this perfect mound of dirt and it has the tree coming out... they grow in the first planter for two to three years, and then I'll root prune them and then transfer them to a larger container and gradually keep working up. And with the tree of 40 Fruit, I try to graft them so that there's 15 to 20 varieties on each tree before they get planted.

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Sam Van Aiken first exhibited the Tree of 40 Fruit at the Armory Show in New York City in 2011, displaying 8-10 foot tall trees with 1.5 inch caliper diameter, grown in square planters that could be displayed and transported.

factualestablishednovelty 0/4durability 4/4· Sam Van Aiken

I exhibited them for the first time at the Armory Show in New York City in 2011. And the first tree was actually planted here on the Syracuse University campus

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If you plant multiple fruit trees in a small space, your garden may over time become a tangle of fruit trees all competing with each other for space and sunshine.

causalestablishednovelty 0/4durability 3/4· Susan Poizner

if you plant a lot of fruit trees in a small space, your garden may over time become a tangle of fruit trees all competing with each other for space and sunshine

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Tree of 40 Fruit projects exist in multiple US states from Maine to Arkansas, with several additional trees in California, as documented on Sam Van Aiken's website.

factualestablishednovelty 0/4durability 3/4· Sam Van Aiken

Oh everywhere from Maine to Arkansas, and then there's a few in California

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Commercial fruit tree nurseries and orchards (particularly in Ontario, as described by Kamyar) commonly use Myrobalan rootstocks for stone fruit because of their high compatibility across fruit varieties.

factualestablishednovelty 0/4durability 4/4· Sam Van Aiken

Myrobalan Rootstock is compatible with, it's probably the most compatible variety with plums. You can graft European plums to it. You can graft Asian plums to it.

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Sam Van Aiken's grandmother had an enormous black cherry tree on her farm that required her husband to spend weeks during harvest trying to prop up branches to prevent the tree from splitting under the weight of fruit.

factualspeaker onlynovelty 0/4durability 4/4· Sam Van Aiken

one of the biggest influences I had in making the project was she had this enormous black cherry tree. It's a farm. So like every farm has this enormous cherry tree. And her husband every summer would spend, we'd spend weeks during harvest season trying to turn, buckle this tree. , like the branches, to try to hold it together so that it wouldn't split and fall apart

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Sam Van Aiken worked with artists from the former Soviet Union/communist Eastern Europe after transitioning from communism to capitalism in the early 1990s, visiting Poland through an introduction from a college professor.

factualspeaker onlynovelty 0/4durability 4/4· Sam Van Aiken

right after I got out of undergrad, he I went to Poland. And I just got dropped into Poland, and this probably dates me, but this was the early nineties, so this is really a year or two after they transitioned from communism to capitalism

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Sam Van Aiken was initially surprised that people were more interested in purchasing the multi-grafted trees themselves rather than the printed art he had created.

factualspeaker onlynovelty 0/4durability 4/4· Sam Van Aiken

when I first exhibited them I thought nobody's ever gonna want any of these . So I made all these other I had a whole bunch of prints that were for sale as well. I didn't sell any of the prints, but everybody wanted one of the trees

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Sam avoids actively promoting the Tree of 40 Fruit project, preferring it to remain a 'best kept secret' rather than becoming overly hyped, though the project has attracted international attention and media coverage.

factualspeaker onlynovelty 0/4durability 3/4· Sam Van Aiken

I don't really do anything to promote it. I'd rather it be like, I've always thought it's better to be best kept secret than , yeah. Be too much hype or something.

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Susan Poizner has been growing fruit trees for over 10 years and is the author of the award-winning book 'Growing Urban Orchards'; she hosts the Urban Forestry Radio Show and runs an online fruit tree care training website at orchard people.com offering courses, articles, and resources.

factualspeaker onlynovelty 0/4durability 2/4· Susan Poizner

I'm Susan Poizner, author of the award-Winning Fruit Tree Care book, growing Urban Orchards. In the show today, we are talking about multi graft fruit trees.

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Sam has been growing apple varieties for approximately 10-11 years at the time of the show, which is not long enough to measure the rootstock-scion diameter mismatch phenomenon comprehensively.

factualspeaker onlynovelty 0/4durability 2/4· Sam Van Aiken

I've been growing apples for maybe 10 or 11 years at this point, which it's not, it hasn't become anything that I could measure at the moment.

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There is a Tree of 40 Fruit growing at High Park in Toronto that was started a couple of years ago and is still in its growth phase; COVID-19 delays affected the project, but it is expected to mature within a couple of years.

factualspeaker onlynovelty 0/4durability 2/4· Sam Van Aiken

There's one that was started in Hyde Park a couple years ago, so it's still growing a little bit... And that's in Toronto, right? High Park in Toronto. Yep. Yeah. So hoping it'll, Covid put a little bit of a delay on that. But yeah, hopefully within a couple years.

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Sam's artwork beyond the Tree of 40 Fruit is primarily available on his website (samvanaiken.com) and at Ronald Feldman Gallery; interested viewers and collectors can browse his work and contact him directly through the website.

factualspeaker onlynovelty 0/4durability 2/4· Sam Van Aiken

most of it's on my website, so yeah, if you wanna take a look and send me an email... there's artworks on Ronald Feldman Gallery.