
What this covers
What can you do (or avoid) tomorrow that would guarantee your being able to live longer?
In this episode, Bryan Johnson reveals the five simple disciplines you can start doing tomorrow if you want to live healthier and longer. Johnson shares what his daily routine looks like, the ins and outs of his experimentation process, and why he gave his father plasma.
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00:00 - Intro 00:24 - Why biographies are important 03:23 - On depression and coping mechanisms 10:32 - Self-destructive behavior and how to pitch Blueprint to someone 23:15 - What a day looks like on Blueprint (exercise and what to eat) 38:41 - How to turn Blueprint protocols into habits 42:02 - Embracing the hate 48:36 - The downsides and lessons of making money 56:10 - The five habits 01:02:26 - Why does posture matter? 01:05:09 - Relationship between biological health and sexual health 01:07:55 - Hair-loss prevention 01:13:57 - Sunscreen, plastics, and other miscellaneous impacts on aging 01:17:00 - How will AI help us? 01:20:26 - On success
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Brian Johnson argues that achieving longevity requires treating the body as a system requiring scientific measurement and algorithmic optimization across sleep, diet, exercise, and supplementation, while simultaneously positioning 'don't die' as a unifying philosophical framework for human behavior and AI alignment.
- Longevity is achievable through systematic implementation of evidence-based protocols ranked by effect size
- Personal optimization (blueprint) mirrors the goal-alignment problem facing superintelligent AI systems
- 'Don't die' serves as both a biological imperative and a framework for solving cooperation and alignment problems at every scale
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Johnson's approach to habit formation relies on three elements: (1) identifying a meaningful goal and larger context that motivates the behavior; (2) fragmenting the self into different versions (morning Brian, evening Brian, father Brian, etc.) and deciding which versions have decision-making authority under which circumstances; (3) creating pairings and hyperfocus on behavioral change so that specific triggers produce automatic actions.
“I go through the process as you heard me say is I like to break myself out into my various selves because I am you know dozens of different kinds of people I'm morning Brian I'm evening Brian I'm after workout Brian I'm your dad Brian like I'm and every one of those situations I'm biochemically a different human I have I have a different way of understanding reality and I'll make decisions that are different in each one of those circumstances”
Sleep is the single highest-priority health intervention because it is the foundation upon which all other physiological and psychological functions depend; when sleep quality is compromised, willpower, emotional regulation, sexual function, and recovery all degrade significantly.
“sleep is an important one it's it's the the number one priority because everything else rest you know hinges upon that”
Biographies are the single most useful thing Johnson has invested time in for understanding reality because they allow instant transport across time and place to understand how people thought, what they cared about, and how different societies and eras organized themselves.
“biographies for me was something that always intuitively helped me make sense because I was able to transport myself in time and be in different times and places instantaneously and understand with a pretty decent level of detail what was happening at that point you know how people thought what they cared about how it contrasted with my time and place and so I'd say biographies have been the most useful thing I've ever invested my time in that has helped me understand reality uh with various dimensions and perspectives at any given moment”
Daniel Kahneman (Nobel Prize-winning psychologist) created a rule for himself: 'I never say yes on the phone; I have to get back to you tomorrow,' because he discovered he was saying yes to please others, and this rule reconfigured his automatic response by removing the immediate decision-making moment, demonstrating that you can rewire your brain's automatic response through rule-based constraints.
“I was talking with Daniel conman a little later that year and he had this phone call and he was talking to this this gentleman on the phone and at the end of the call he said I have a rule I never say yes on the phone I'll have to get back to you tomorrow and he hung up and I was like tell me about this what is this Rule and he's like well I found I was saying yes to please other people I want other people to like me I'm I'm a human I'm a social so I end up doing these things that aren't really good for me and so I created this rule to do this”
AlphaFold solved the protein-folding problem faster than anyone anticipated (a problem many thought was unsolvable or would require unknown duration), and Go was similarly solved by Deep Mind faster than expected; these examples show that when intelligent systems focus narrowly on hard problems, they can achieve stunningly fast breakthroughs.
“take Alpha fold uh it was many people thought solving the protein folding problem was unsolvable or would take us some unknown duration of time and Deep Mind allocated their attention to that thing and solved it faster than anyone ever thought possible the same thing with go and so when these groups of people that are very talented focus on a very narrow problem they solve stunningly hard problems faster than anyone thought”
Suicidality during depression is rational and reasonable given the sufferer's internal experience; the isolation caused by dismissive responses ('get over it', 'just feel better') makes it harder for depressed people to reach out and get the help they need, and this dynamic should be met with deep empathy rather than platitudes.
“the mind is Relentless and so when people feel suicidal I am deeply empathetic it is it is rational to want to kill oneself uh it's reasonable so when you're in that moment it's it feels lonely when you try to explain to somebody how you feel and how life is not worth it and a response is something like get over it or just feel better or like go out side it's it's hard it makes you feel very isolated and not able to reach out and get the help you need and so one is I would say I understand you deeply and I empathize with you deeply”
Once you rise above 'don't die,' values splinter into a billion different directions reflecting different people's understandings of the world, what they care about, and their justifications; this diversity emerges once the survival game is secured.
“now the moment you stand up above don't die you break out into a billion different directions of what people want how they understand the world what they care about what they'll do and why all their rules and justifications”
Wealth does not reduce suffering or problems; wealthy and poor people experience comparable levels of suffering, with the difference being primarily at extremes of deprivation (inability to afford medical care, basic nutrition), and many wealthy people wish they didn't have money, though this position risks sounding hypocritical.
“I mean like so so there there's like there are some clear differences like if if you're poor and you've got a very serious medical condition you don't have the resources to address that that's a very big difference but overall every person I know who's wealthy has just as many problems and it feels to them their problems are just as intense as everyone else at every other class of wealth uh excluding you know like the extreme situations where like a person does not have the ability to pay for basic nutrition or doesn't have the ability to pay for medical bills”
The solution to all-of-us suffering less is contemplating how we can all struggle less, which requires recognizing our shared human experience across economic classes rather than dividing based on wealth.
“to me it's like it's a bigger observation about how all of us struggle all the time and how it's worthwhile to contemplate how we can all struggle less”
The context of existential stakes (whether behavioral change is life-or-death vs. nice-to-have) fundamentally changes the behavioral change profile and willingness to modify behavior; people are far more likely to persist with difficult changes when they believe the stakes are existential.
“if I say how do I stop self-destructive behaviors without identifying these things a person has a given willingness to change their behavior but then there's it will stop uh if it's like it's a nice to have but if it's life or death the behavioral change uh profile may be very different and so really I think it depends on where the person's coming from”
The practical plan Johnson is putting forward spans breakfast food decisions all the way through superintelligence alignment, unified by the 'don't die' principle applied across individual, social, planetary, and AI domains.
“so you really have to say if we're trying to goal align a super intelligence around something and not kill the Earth and not kill each other and not die ourselves how do you do it and that's what I've tried to put forward is this is an actual plan a practical plan that spans what to eat for breakfast and how to align a super intelligent system with with all of our interests”
Johnson avoids sun exposure when UV index is above 4, gets sun exposure only in morning and evening, uses EltaMD sunscreen, and measures skin age using multi-spectral imaging; he avoids tanning because sun damage and cancer risk outweigh cultural beauty norms, and he predicts that cultural attitudes toward tanning will shift over time as sun safety evidence accumulates.
“I generally uh try to avoid the sun when the UV index is above four so I get sun exposure in the morning and in the night and this is also another contentious part in society where I get a lot of flak for the pness of my skin and you know it's a cultural norm that uh tan skin is somehow a signifier of health and and wellness and Beauty but you know the sun Dam ages and damages the skin and creates cancer risk”
When a wealthy friend's social circle shrinks over time, it is because people approach asking for favors or money, violating trust, and the wealthy person becomes skeptical of others' motivations, leading to isolation and the belief that everyone who wants to be a friend 'wants something' from them.
“I have a friend who is incredibly wealthy and we've been friends for a number of years now and one thing that struck me a few years ago was his Circle kept getting smaller and smaller yeah and I I remember asking him about this and I was like you know like when we were hanging out last year and I'm just making this up but there's like 30 people here and now there's like 15 and you you see it shrink over time and he said yeah you know because people do these things that yeah um they ask me for something or they do things and then I can't really trust them and then everybody who's trying to be my friend and I'm paraphrasing here and I'm not going to reveal who it is but everybody who's trying to be my friend wants something from me or that's how I think about it”
If people's internal experiences are beating them up, they will try to beat other people up too; this is just the human condition; it's not worth getting caught up in or taking personally.
“I think it's possible that um you know if if People's internal experiences are are beating them up they're going to try to beat other people up too it's just like kind of the situation it's okay”
Money is extraordinarily complicated and drives people to do crazy things; it is predictable how people will behave when money is at stake, and they often lose their reality and ability to see what's actually happening.
“money is extraordinarily complicated and it drives people to do crazy things and I've seen this pattern now repeat itself so many times in my personal life like those who are the closest people to me and to see what they would do when money was a stake and it's almost like it's they'll do anything and they lose touch with reality in the pursuit of that objective”
By implementing five evidence-based interventions—not smoking, exercising 6 hours per week (combination of strength, flexibility, and cardiovascular), eating a Mediterranean-style diet, maintaining BMI between 18.5 and 22.5, and limiting alcohol to 1-3 glasses of wine per week—you could achieve a life expectancy of 92 years.
“by doing these five things you could achieve a life expectancy of 92 so one don't smoke two is exercise 6 hours a week and that's a combination of strength and flexibility and cardiovascular three is eat a blueprint like diet or like Mediterranean diet four is maintain a BMI between 18.5 and 22.5 and then five is limit alcohol consumption”
Once you have good sleep, your energy increases, which increases motivation and willpower, which enables baby steps into exercise and diet improvement in a self-reinforcing positive cycle; depression, by contrast, creates an autocatalytic negative cycle where being depressed causes worse health which causes more depression.
“once you can sleep well your energy goes up and your motivation goes up and your discipline and willpower increases so try to get the fly will moving in a positive direction where every day you have just a little bit more energy to make one more positive baby step”
Humans can be thought of as existing in 'easy mode' or 'hard mode' based on sleep quality; when sleep is good, the ability to regulate emotions and have healthy responses to difficult situations is easier; when sleep is poor, the same emotional challenges become much harder to navigate.
“I talked to my kids about this and I talk about it in the context of positioning an easy mode or hard mode and I'm like when you go to sleep it doesn't mean you're not go like when you sleep well doesn't mean somebody's going to do something not going to do something to you tomorrow that makes it you angry or upset it means your ability to regulate your emotions and have a healthy response is going to be much easier than if you have a poor night sleep so you can like you're playing on easy mode or hard mode”
Earth is the necessary context for human thriving; killing the planet is a failure condition analogous to dying individually or killing each other; therefore 'don't die' includes 'don't kill the planet.'
“earth needs to be a home where we can Thrive if we kill Earth we're in a bad situation and so when I say don't die it's don't die individually don't kill each other don't let the planet die don't kill it and align AI with don't die”
Johnson experienced a decade-long depression starting at age 24 triggered by simultaneous stressors: an inconsolable newborn, building a startup without income, entering a new marriage, and internal conflict over leaving his religion while remaining embedded in his religious community and family structure.
“I had my first baby and he was kyrie so he just cried nonstop and I don't think his mother and I got a night of sleep of good rest for for six months meanwhile I was building a startup and I was grinding at that with all the stresses of not having income and trying to make something work that was new and then I was in a new marriage and then I was also dealing with some internal turmoil related to my religious situation”
Empathy should be applied universally: we are all icebergs where visible behavior is a tiny fraction of what's happening internally; we should assume good intentions and maintain tolerance for each other.
“I wish everybody was just more empathetic to everybody else it's like we're all icebergs and what we project is sort of like above the sea level but there's so much going on below the sea that's like a hundred or a thousand times bigger than what we see and we just have no idea and I wish we'd all collectively just have a bit more tolerance for each other and a bit more sort of assuming good intentions even when they're not always obvious”
Narratives and norms about what 'success' looks like are determined by the time and place you are born into; these are not universal truths but contingent historical/cultural products that vary radically across societies.
“we're born into this world and we're given a narrative about existence and that narrative depends upon when you're born and where you're born and to whom you're born but you're told certain things about yourself and why you exist and what they care about and how Society works and what ethics are and norms and there's never been universals if you look at the thousands of different societies that have emerged on Earth it's extremely Varied”
Hot and cold exposure therapies (sauna, ice baths, cold plunges) did not meet the threshold for inclusion in blueprint protocols because the evidence for increasing lifespan or healthspan was not strong enough, though Johnson acknowledges they may have benefits for recovery and other objectives.
“it's it's not that they don't potentially have benefits for right applications the hot and cold therapy didn't make our cut because it doesn't increase lifespan Health span rather the evidence was not strong enough for my team to recommend it to be cut into the protocol so if you go back to how we think about this we've looked at all the scientific evidence through the the specific lens of increasing lifespan healthspan and then we've ranked them according to power laws”
Grind culture valorizes self-sacrifice and treats death as the ultimate enabler of meaning: dying for country, sacrificing one's life for achievement, creating works that outlive you—all rely on death as inevitable. Questioning this assumption (that death is inevitable) means questioning the entire moral structure of contemporary culture.
“death is the enabler of all things immortality you know if you love country die for your country if you want to if you want to pay the ultimate price of being a hero sacrifice your life you know if you um want to achieve immortality in your professional Endeavor have your Works live beyond your death everything we we think about existence is around death and I was calling question to death that maybe we have reached this time and place in human history where death is no longer inevitable and that if that is true everything about our reality changes”
The core challenge facing humanity is the same as the goal-alignment problem in AI development: how to specify what we want, from whom, under what circumstances, and how to maintain alignment when there are conflicting objectives at all scales (within cells, within individuals, within societies, and with superintelligent AI).
“I tried to embody the problem of AI I tried to become the species as a problem and so I did that with a thought experiment where I said okay I'm a collection of 35 trillion sales and that's a lot of intelligent agents all doing their own thing with different objectives the body doesn't have a singular objective the body has all kinds of conflicting objectives at all moments and I wanted to see could I achieve goal alignment within me Brian Johnson”
Johnson has measured his brain using Kernel (his brain interface company) to assess willpower based on sleep quality, and found that when he has poor sleep (less REM and deep sleep), he has substantially less willpower; conversely, good sleep produces substantially more willpower.
“I looked at my brain based upon sleep patterns and I saw we saw in my brain I had less willpower when I had a poor night's sleep when I had less REM and less deep and so yes when you have bad sleep you have substantially less willpower”
Humans are in an unprecedented moment where artificial intelligence is improving at a speed that exceeds human cognitive capacity to comprehend or predict; therefore, on a 10-year time span, humans are unqualified to predict what will happen because the timeframe exceeds human intellectual capacity to imagine.
“it's the first time in human history where we the superior form of intelligence are up against a wall of not knowing what to predict what comes next because it it's going to supersede us so fast and so this is the thing this is why I come down to the only thing I know to be true in the year 2024 is don't die that's it I don't know anything else other than I want to be around for what could be the most spectacular existence in this part of the Galaxy”
Does wealth-induced isolation ever make Johnson feel lonely? Johnson acknowledges it's a challenge, noting that human problems are universal at all wealth levels except at extremes (inability to afford nutrition/medical care or extreme deprivation).
“does that ever make you feel lonely it's a challenge you know like anything like I mean like in in life it's like all of our problems are equal it's not like if you're rich you have fewer problems it's not like if you're poor you've got I mean like so so there there's like there are some clear differences like if if you're poor and you've got a very serious medical condition you don't have the resources to address that”
Johnson's diet is vegan, though he does not advocate for veganism as superior and remains agnostic about the diet wars; his son eats omnivorous diet and achieves similar health results, suggesting diet is a personal choice; however, Johnson notes that emerging evidence increasingly suggests plant-based diets are more conducive to longevity.
“diet is a special kind of provocative like people break out into Waring tribes instantaneously and the intensity around this topic is a lot and so I've really just stayed out of it I I'm I'm impartial I don't want to get into the war and so I just say you do you I do think that there's every day there's more evidence coming out suggesting plant-based diets are um more conducive for longevity so I think the evidence in time will speak for itself”
After becoming wealthy, approximately 50% of Johnson's close relationships involved people engaging in unambiguous bad behavior, sometimes illegal, because money destabilizes people's sense of reality and moral constraints, making them willing to violate previously-held principles in pursuit of financial gain.
“of the people close to me over the past you know 12 Years a very large number like almost like 50% have ended up doing something to me that is uh that is unambiguous bad behavior in some cases illegal behavior and um this is not to say they're bad and I'm good it's meant to say that when you're around these circumstances it's often times very hard to keep your bearings and sometimes you lose your reality and you become so lost in it you can no longer tell what's going going on”
Biological age is more predictive of health and longevity than chronological age; the key metrics are the biological age of individual organs (heart, lungs, liver) rather than years lived, making biological age markers the more powerful predictor.
“the more important number is what is the biological age of my heart and of my lungs and of my liver and that's really the the more powerful predictor than a chronological number”
The cost of poor sleep includes elimination of sexual function and nighttime erections; most people associate poor sleep with grumpiness but miss the whole-body consequences including sexual dysfunction.
“people often times associate the cost of not getting good sleep with feeling a little bit grumpy the next day you know or a little bit more irritable but they don't really understand the whole body consequences where basically your sexual function goes to zero and uh it's not that you can't still have intercourse you you can but I I pointed out it's a pretty devastating cost on on uh not getting good sleep”
Johnson's father's biological age reversed from 71 years old to 46 years old (25-year reduction) after receiving six monthly plasma transfusions from Johnson, and this improvement remained stable for at least six months post-treatment, while Johnson himself saw no benefit from receiving his son's plasma, likely because his own biomarkers were already comparable to an 18-year-old.
“when I gave my father plasma my father's speed of Aging slowed by the equivalent of 25 years so from a 71y old to a 46y old and those results remained uh this uh the stable for six months which is the last measurement we did so in that case the plasma therapy was promising and it didn't work in me lot probably because my biomarkers are already pretty competitive with an 18-year-old whereas my father benefited significantly because his biomarkers as a 71y old are pretty different than my biomarkers”
'Don't die' is a deceptively simple two-word framework that is simultaneously a heuristic, a computational model, a mathematical framework, a biological system, and a closed-loop algorithm, and it serves as a universal objective function for both personal health and AI alignment because it is the most-played game in human existence—every two seconds humans and all organisms execute behaviors to not die.
“don't die is deceptively simple and endlessly expansive it is a heris it is a computational model it is a mathematical framework it is a biological system it is a closed loop algorithm all those things in two words”
Human consciousness may currently exist at an uncomfortable level where we are consciously suffering in ways we might look back on in the future as extraordinarily difficult, similar to how we view the hardships of previous centuries; this suggests our mental suffering is not pathological but existential.
“I think it's possible that um you know we'll look back at ourselves right now and we'll say ah oh man like can you believe how hard it was to be human like can you do you remember how bad it was like the anxiety and the depression and the jealousy and The Angst and the fomo and the like you know all the things we felt like God that was just so hard like can you imagine going back to doing that in the same way we imagine you know previous areas not having the technology we do today”
Blueprint's core thesis is that an algorithm can take better care of Johnson than he can himself, which he argues means: (1) removing real-time decision-making from consciousness, (2) having the body's 70+ organs 'speak' through scientific evidence, and (3) allowing the algorithm to determine what time to sleep, what to eat, and behavioral nudges without deviation or improvisation.
“with blueprint I wanted to demonstrate that an algorithm takes better care of me than I can myself and to do that I became the most measured person in human history I wanted to show that if you ask the body's 70 plus organs to speak and you consult scientific evidence and then you let the algorithm run so it tells me what time to go to bed it tells me what to eat it gives me all these nudges on what to do and if I just simply say I can't deviate my mind can't impromptu saying you know what we're going to add a brownie to the lunch session here uh so removing that and I basically am arguing this is the core of it I'm arguing that as a species this is the most important question facing the human race hands down”
Evening Brian—the version of Johnson that occupied his consciousness from 5 p.m. to 10 p.m.—was responsible for self-destructive eating patterns because this was when he was tired, emotionally depleted, and seeking relief from the day's stress; Johnson resolved this by 'firing' evening Brian and reassigning decision-making authority to versions of himself that had better long-term interests.
“evening Brian was the version of me that occupied my Consciousness from 5 PM to 10 p.m. he was tired from the day he was you know fighting multiple fires he was trying to um like deal with the emotional upset of like all the things that had happened during the day like you know very common human experience and then in those in that window of time when he's beat down that's when he goes I don't think evening Bryan's a bad guy I just think he was just trying to find relief of the burden that he felt in that role and I fired him”
If someone inherits or suddenly receives $500 million, Johnson recommends: (1) do not change your life for 6-12 months to distinguish between your genuine preferences and what wealth would cause you to want; (2) recognize that most people will expect financial obligation from you simply because you have wealth; (3) clearly identify what you want money to achieve, because if you don't determine objectives, money will run you and you'll lose yourself.
“I would suggest you not change anything in your life for 6 to 12 months keep on with your same habits and have the money so you can distinguish between your your preferred LIF Style and what money would otherwise alter your perception of what you want because once you start acquiring things you start losing your perspective on where your Baseline is so and the shock of going from zero to 500 million is so is so sudden that it scrambles your reality”
Reading economist Gary Becker's essays in Newsweek—which approached complex social topics like poverty through quantitative mathematical language rather than qualitative narrative—was a pivotal moment in Johnson's life, teaching him that reality could be understood through mathematical and numerical frameworks rather than storytelling.
“it was one of the most significant moments in my life when I read this book by Gary Becker a Nobel Prize Laureate from the University of Chicago and in this he was writing essays excuse me for Newsweek and he would take a given topic like poverty for example and he wouldn't describe it in qualitative terms in story terms he would talk about it in numerical terms and it was I think one of the most joyous moments of my life to understand that reality could be understood in mathematical terms”
The question of whether to hand over control of one's life to an algorithm that would care for you better than you can care for yourself generates a predictable emotional progression in people: initial visceral rejection, then reflection on cultural values and current norms, then creative exploration of how reality might change, then philosophical consideration of the change mechanism, which often leads to acceptance and understanding.
“I posed the question if you could have access to an algorithm that can take better care of you then you can yourself would you say yes now immediately people are like but what about so it branches into a thousand you know questions and I just say just like assume what you want let's just keep it high level and Abstract yes or no and then people go through this process where the majority of people are vomiting distaste like this is the worst idea I hate it for all these reasons a teeny number of people are like please save me from myself and the others are like yeah but I want to make the following exceptions which really is no so like there's a lot of resistance”
Johnson argues that the most important question facing humanity as algorithms improve is: as algorithms increasingly become better at various tasks including self-care, what do humans do? This is the defining question and contemplation of our existence.
“so removing that and I basically am arguing this is the core of it I'm arguing that as a species this is the most important question facing the human race hands down as algorithms improve and they increasingly become better at at a variety of tasks including taking care of ourselves on planet Earth what do we do it's I think it's the defining question and contemplation of our existence”
People respond to Johnson's lifestyle and philosophy with significant hate and criticism, but he has a positive relationship with this hate because: (1) he compares it favorably to depression, which was a much more effective 'troll' of him; (2) he frames the hate as following a predictable three-phase pattern (innovation → backlash → survival → new horizons) that he has already progressed through.
“what you're doing is so outside of what we consider normal that you get so much hate and vital how do you handle that I love it I I have such a positive relationship with the hate uh it energized me I am endlessly amused by it I think it's just fun to engage with and you know I Depression was a much better troll than anyone online you know like my my depression could eat me up pretty efficiently it knew the zingers and the dunks everyone else uh you know like it's just play for me”
Johnson maintained perfectly consistent sleep (8 months of perfect sleep tracked via wearable) by going to bed at exactly 9:30 p.m. (recently changed from 8:30 p.m.) without a window of flexibility, waking naturally between 4:30-5:30 a.m., and no human in history had achieved such extended perfect sleep until he did.
“I go to bed currently at 9:30 p.m. I just changed my bedtime from 8:30 but it's 8 it's 9:30 on the dot so it's it's not uh I don't have a two-hour window of time and I I recently logged eight months of perfect sleep using my wearable which no human in history had ever done”
Johnson's presentation of his lifestyle to others carries the risk of creating a 'boomerang effect' where people feel discouraged about their ability to achieve similar results and give up on improvement, rather than feeling inspired; he is deeply empathetic about this risk and tries to position himself as 'an angel on their shoulder' offering support rather than judgment.
“I realize that I present complexity in people's lives that you know if someone sees an article about me or a video or something and if they're not in the same place as me uh it can have a net negative reaction where the person's like damn it I'm never going to be able to do what he does so that makes me feel bad about myself and so why even try and I'm deeply empathetic about that and I I I'm very I yeah I'm empathetic I wish that wasn't the outcome”
A heart surgeon with 30 years of experience observed that patients used to change their behavior more readily after heart surgery when the surgery required breaking ribs and leaving a large scar, but now that the incision is minimal (half a centimeter) with minimal pain, patients change far less often because there is no longer a vivid, painful physical reminder of their vulnerability.
“a friend of mine had a it brings to mind this story a friend of mine had a heart surgery a while back and I went to visit him in the hospital and I was talking to the surgeon and you know the surgeon sort of had said all the typ things about changing your diet and changing your lifestyle and when I was talking to the surgeon he goes you know odds are about 10% that he's going to do this and I said well that's interesting and he's like he he's like I've been a surgeon for 30 years and he's like people used to change all the time because I used to have to break ribs I used to have to like there was a physical pain a big scar a visual reminder and he's like now the incision is like you know half a centimeter and you know you're in and out of the hospital and there isn't a lot of pain and so he he's like people people change a lot less than they used to”
If current optimal health practices are maintained and people don't die, they will gain enormous advantage from future technologies that will think about problems in ways humans cannot currently comprehend.
“there's a part of me that's really believes if we take care of ourselves really well right now and we don't die we're going to get a lot of Advantage from technology that thinks about things in a way that we couldn't even comprehend”
Johnson has narrow genetically-determined internal jugular veins (the blood vessels draining blood from the brain on both sides of the neck), causing restricted blood flow out of the brain when he has poor posture, which kinks the veins and impairs cerebral venous return; he discovered this through MRI and ultrasound and has built maintaining good posture into his daily habits through months of physical therapy focused on strengthening specific muscles.
“I discovered I've got narrow genetically narrow internal jugular veins these two pipes on the side of the neck and so I've have restricted blood flow out of my brain when I have bad posture so it Kinks my veins and so I we did a whole bunch of measurement with MRI and ultrasound and I work did a bunch of physical therapy to strengthen certain muscles that maintain proper posture”
The final arc of Johnson's emotional swing model invokes Zero's principle thinking (first principles reasoning) and returns full circle to the original thought experiment, by which point the majority of dinner attendees report understanding the situation and acceptance, having cycled through these emotional-philosophical beats.
“and then the next step is about the philosophy of this change which is Zero's principal thinking and then full circle back to the thought experiment but you can see through those beats with about 12 people uh it takes each person the ability to cycle through that these ideas and emotions and hear how other people respond but at the very end uh the majority of people who attend my dinners are like I gotta say I get it I understand the situation when you say it”
Johnson was raised in a small rural religious community where the primary framework for understanding reality was narrative and religious teaching rather than quantitative or scientific methods; he did not meet an engineer until his early 20s, which delayed his development of scientific and quantitative thinking.
“I was raised in this small rural community that was really the existence was religion and so I was taught to understand reality through story not through mathematical methods not through scientific methods in fact I didn't meet an engineer until I was in my early 20s and so I just hadn't yet developed the cognitive abilities to think like a scientist or engineer”
The core challenge of changing self-destructive behavior is understanding that behavior serves a function (relief, pleasure, escape), and the core of Johnson's life mission is answering the question: 'How do we stop patterns of self-destructive behavior?'
“those patterns of self-destructive Behaviour get in the way of so many of us I guess the question is how do we stop the patterns of self-destructive Behaviour this is the essence of my entire life's Mission this single question”
Given the unpredictability of the future beyond human comprehension, the only thing Johnson knows to be true in 2024 is 'don't die' because he wants to be around for what could be the most spectacular existence in this part of the Galaxy.
“so this is the thing this is why I come down to the only thing I know to be true in the year 2024 is don't die that's it I don't know anything else other than I want to be around for what could be the most spectacular existence in this part of the Galaxy”
The essential answer to 'what is success for you?' is 'the courage to believe that I don't know,' reflecting epistemological humility about the future and willingness to change beliefs as evidence accumulates.
“I would say it's the courage to believe that I don't know”
Johnson's Blueprint is built on the premise of investigating whether longevity escape velocity is achievable—the question of whether for every year of chronological time that passes, he can remain the same biological age.
“the premise on this is I I was posing the question in the early 2 century is it the case that we have achieved longevity escape velocity which means that for every one year of chronological time that passes can I stay the same age biologically and if not where are we at and so that's the backdrop on what my daily routine is”
Eating the last meal of the day at 11:00 a.m. optimizes sleep quality because it allows complete digestion before bedtime; if Johnson eats at 5-6 p.m., his resting heart rate increases from 46 to 56 bpm, resulting in approximately 50% reduction in REM and deep sleep with 35-minute increase in wake time.
“I eat my last meal of the day at 11:00 a.m. for the objectives of good sleep because I mean there's supposedly good benefits on fasting I think the evidence is still maybe developing so I mostly do it for sleep because when I eat my last meal of the day I have all my digestion finished so when I go to bed my resting heart rate is around 46 beats per minute and if it's a 46 I'm going to have a perfect night sleep if I eat at 5:00 pm or 6 PM then my resting heart rate is going to be 56 and when I do that I'm going to uh knock off about 50% of my rim and 50% of my deep and I'll increase my wake Time by about 35 minutes”
Johnson has achieved a state where he makes zero regrettable decisions and no longer behaves in ways he regrets, whereas previously he was 'walking regret'—this is remarkable because most people do not believe this level of decision consistency is possible.
“I've tried to build a life where I make zero decisions of doing things I don't really want to do and I've almost got it like it's it's actually I'm surprised I've gotten this close to achieving it I just don't behave in ways that I regret anymore and that's phenomenal because I was just like walking regret before”
Johnson wishes he had spent more time around wealthy people early in his wealth accumulation to learn 'how the game works,' as money's complexities and relational dynamics are poorly understood and could be mitigated with mentoring.
“I really wish that I would have spent more time having made m money and say can I talk to somebody who who's had wealth and can tell me how to how this game works”
The biography of zero (the number and concept) is Johnson's favorite because the number zero was not always known or understood; it took humanity thousands of years to discover and fully comprehend the potential of zero, and its discovery enabled Cartesian geometry, calculus, the vanishing point in art, and modern computation.
“the biography of Zero by Charles sea the the number zero it was not it was not common sense to me that the number zero has not always been around but it took Humanity a long time thousands of years to discover the number of zero and even when you do Discover it uh to really understand the potential you know so from cartisian geometry from uclid elements to cartisian geometry or the function that zero plays in the vanishing point in art or how zero enables the modern world in computation it took a long time so I'd say zero is probably my favorite one because it's an entity it's an idea it's a concept it's a number that has revolutionized almost every part of society”
His religious background taught him to derive pleasure from being in service to others and obeying God's commandments rather than from consumption, intoxication, or secular pursuits, leaving him 'devoid of pleasure' during his depression and contributing to binge eating as a compensatory stimulation mechanism.
“in the religion I was in it's like you you don't do caffeine you don't smoke you don't drink you don't go to clubs you don't you know like you don't look at porn you're basically just devoid of those kinds of pleasures and you're you're supposed to derive pleasure from uh being in service of others and obeying God's Commandments and like those are your rewards that generate now of course those things do generate rewards and you we all understand that when we do help up someone else we do feel that uh but you know when you're grinding 247 on a startup startups are just pure pain like you don't feel Joy for years and when you're raising babies you have these glimpses of Joy but most of it's just really hard work”
Johnson previously drank three ounces of red wine for breakfast daily, which he gave up because the 80 calories couldn't be accommodated in his diet; the wine was delicious and increased the joy of food, but no amount of pleasure is worth trading high-quality sleep.
“I drink three ounces of red wine for breakfast daily yeah yeah what was the thinking behind that you gave it up I think I remember if if I remember correctly it's because you couldn't afford the 80 calories in your diet correct yeah but you you liked red wine it was delicious it was such a wonderful experience yeah it increased the joy of food a lot do you ever have wine now or is just like a rule that you don't have it because once you go down that path it's like a slippery slope I don't now because even small amounts negatively affect my sleep even if I drink them drink it around noon I still sometimes see effects in sleep and nothing is worth trading high quality sleep to me”
Johnson's biomarkers across cardiovascular capacity, bone mineral density, strength, muscle, and body fat composition are in the top 99.5 percentile of 18-year-old males, with cardiovascular capacity in top 1.5%, bone mineral density in top 0.2%, and bench press strength in top 10% of 18-year-olds.
“my cardiovascular capacity is in the top 1.5% of 18y olds my bone Minal density is the top 0.2% of 30y olds which is agen for that test and you know my my uh my strength tests same thing like top 1.5 and 10% of 18y olds so the biomarkers across my entire body whether it's my cardiovascular ability my strength uh my muscle my muscle and body fat are in the top 99.5 percentile”
Johnson works out for approximately one hour every single day without rest days using a protocol of 20+ repetitions per exercise that flexes and stretches every muscle group rather than heavy weights that are hard on joints.
“I work out for about an hour in a specific protocol I'll come in I will make breakfast which is a few pounds of vegetables I'll shower and do a skin care routine and get ready for work”
Johnson takes 60 pills daily as part of his morning protocol, uses UV light therapy to set his circadian rhythm, applies topical hair loss treatment based on his genetic profile, wears a red light cap for hair growth, uses a specific shampoo to optimize scalp environment, and performs monthly laser exosome treatments combined with previous PRP therapy to slow and prevent hair loss.
“I'll take 60 pills I'll do light therapy on my hair I'll um like once a me once a week I'll do my blood my blood pressure”
Carbohydrates (breads, pastas, rice) negatively impact Johnson's sleep quality and increase his resting heart rate; other foods that disrupt his sleep include all types of flour (including almond flour) and sugar; these negative effects are specific to his body and may not generalize to others.
“so breads pastas even rice uh is hard for my body to digest is that your body or most body uh my body and maybe it's because I don't eat rice very often so you know that the one time occurrence but yeah when I eat anything of that variety my resting heart rate will be 55 plus you know probably in the 56 57 range”
Johnson was poor his entire childhood; his mother made his clothes, he worked in third grade for leftover food to pay his $25 monthly cafeteria fee, and he didn't make money until age 34 when he sold Braintree; he has now had money for 12 years.
“I I was poor my entire life I my mom made my clothes for school I um I work in third grade I worked the school tables at lunch to pay for leftover food so my mom wouldn't have to pay my $25 a month of cafeteria money like I knew we were poor and I was in on my family's uh circumstances and I didn't make money until I was 34 years old until I sold brain tree”
A friend who was in Special Forces for a long time reported that troops are regularly asked about their poop and whether they had morning erections as health indicators.
“one of my friends who was in the Special Forces for a long time uh used to be deployed often and he said one of the things that they looked for in the troops and they asked them about regularly was their uh their poop and whether they had a morning erection I love that that's fantastic I mean that's the first time I've heard of anyone else measuring uh erections”
Blueprint is like 100 pieces of Lego, each piece being an evidence-based intervention; Johnson regularly swaps pieces as evidence updates or new therapies become available (e.g., recently added oral minoxidil but stopped due to side effects).
“if you think of blueprint as like a 100 pieces of Lego and each one of those pieces of Lego is an intervention based on scientific evidence what's the last piece of Lego you took out and put in a new piece of Lego because you're like oh this is better than that piece of Lego I recently started taking oral minoxidil so there's there's the liquid minoxidil for hair growth you know for or for rather hair loss prevention and uh I took an oral version which initially that drug was a improved for uh high blood pressure but was then repurposed for hair growth because it it made hair grow all over the body but I started experiencing some side effects I stopped that”
Hair cloning therapies are being developed that could allow restoration of hair from a few follicles through cloning and implantation; Johnson expects this technology to be available within five years.
“the technology that uh is very close is exciting there's uh cloning therapies that are being developed so if you had a few few follicles you can clone it and then do basically like implantation so I I think it's a a possibility that in like five years time that you would be able to restore hair yourself”
Johnson uses stainless steel cookware and avoids Teflon, doesn't eat takeout, uses ceramic water vessels, avoids plastic bottles, and filters his water in order to minimize exposure to PFOA, PTFE, microplastics, and other environmental pollutants that he perceives as health risks.
“I I try to avoid uh plastic bottles I use uh stainless steel cookware uh filtered water I don't eat out I don't use a takeout materials so I try to avoid the the things that are more polluting”
People are generally not convinced or changed by data alone; showing them evidence will not change their mind because people's positions are based on tribal and emotional attachments rather than evidence evaluation.
“people aren't convinced by data I mean you can show them all the data in the world and it's not going to change their mind”
The only way to get someone to change is to either tell them they're pregnant or diagnose them with a serious medical condition; absent these external signals of life-altering consequences, most people will not change behavior.
“someone mentioned to me recently I haven't haven't verified this that the only way to get someone to change is to tell them they're pregnant or that you know diagnosed them with a certain condition otherwise no change will happen”
Gut health lacks strong scientific evidence supporting specific interventions; Johnson expresses that he wishes there were better evidence available and states 'the problem is not much' regarding what is known about gut health optimization.
“what do you think about gut health I wish there was better evidence on it what do we know about it so far the problem is not much”
Johnson's eldest son once created an impersonation of him (mimicking him as 'AI' with a Z sound when noticing bad posture), which became a household habit cue; now when anyone in the family has bad posture, they hear 'Z' and correct it, creating a family-wide supportive habit pattern around posture maintenance.
“my eldest son made fun of me he's like dad's like an AI and he was like he's like this like you know being this AI move and so his impersonation of me was reduced to Z so now every time anyone in the family has improper posture that means if if you're holding a phone directly down you're looking at your head's hanging over or you're in some other catastrophic postural position you'll hear it Z and everyone in the family just like right like it's straight up and so we're now a family where we support each other in proper posture”
Alcohol consumption limits vary in evidence, but approximately 1-3 glasses of wine per week is the moderate intake threshold; excessive intake is clearly harmful, but some alcohol appears tolerable.
“talk to me about the alcohol consumption because that one is is sort of a bit vague in a sense of you didn't offer specifics like BMI you're like this range what's what what is a limited alcohol consumption is that like 2 ounces a week is it six is it like we're best with none but up until this point it doesn't hurt us I forget the exact uh unit number if I remember correctly it's something like between one and three glasses of wine a week equivalent so it's it's a yeah it's a moderate intake uh but basically I think what it's saying one is it's not excessive”
Johnson tried athletic greens daily supplementation and has not gotten sick in three years since starting blueprint (his first illness in three years occurred during the interview period); he attributes this to the supplement though he acknowledges it might be placebo, but calls it his 'green power juice' indicating confidence in the intervention.
“I take athletic greens every day and I'm like you know in my head it might be a placebo it might not be I have no idea but uh I haven't gotten sick since I've started taking it every day it's it's incredible I call it my green power juice”