
Quantum computing in the 21st Century – with David Jamieson
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Join David Jamieson as he explores his work in quantum technology and looks at how we plan to build the first quantum machines.
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Einstein's most revolutionary idea, the light quantum, led to the concept for a radical new type of computer. This computer would use the strange rules of quantum mechanics to process information encoded in quantum bits, otherwise known as qubits.
In this talk you will find out more about how these large-scale devices may be able to solve important problems that cannot be solved by classical machines. And about some of the formidable scientific and technical obstacles that would need to be overcome, through the use of unprecendented precision to manipulate and interrogate single atoms.
This lecture was filmed at the Ri on 5 July 2022.
00:00 Lecture outline 3:23 A retrospective of the computer age 11:29 The first quantum revolution 16:58 Demonstrating Einstein’s photoelectric effect 23:30 Discovery of the nucleus 27:41 Discovery of spin 35:28 ‘There’s plenty of room at the bottom’ 39:36 The start of a second quantum revolution 51:15 The spooky quantum state 54:17 Maintaining order in a large-scale device
David Jamieson is a Professor of Physics at the University of Melbourne. He has a PhD from Melbourne and held postdoctoral fellowships at Caltech (USA) and the University of Oxford (UK).
David has served terms as Head of School and President of the Australian Institute of Physics. His research expertise in the field of ion beam physics applied to test some of the key functions of a revolutionary quantum computer constructed in silicon in the ARC Centre for Quantum Computation and Communication Technology.
In 2020 David received a Royal Society Wolfson Visiting Fellowship to work on new ideas for engineering silicon with single atoms. He is also a Fellow of both the Australian Institute of Physics and the Institute of Physics (UK).
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Einstein's foundational insights into quantum mechanics—particularly the photon concept and wave-particle duality—have enabled a second quantum revolution in computing technology, where quantum attributes like spin superposition can be harnessed using silicon-based architectures to build scalable quantum computers.
- Einstein's 1905 photoelectric effect paper introduced the concept of discrete energy quanta (photons), resolving the apparent contradiction between light's wave and particle natures
- Quantum mechanical phenomena like electron spin and superposition, rooted in Einstein's insights, provide the physical basis for quantum bits that can exploit simultaneous multiple states
- Modern silicon-based quantum computing architectures using single phosphorus atoms embedded in ultra-pure silicon directly implement Feynman's 1959 vision of using quantum systems to model other quantum systems
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The Apollo missions represented the dawn of the computer age rather than the space age, because for the first time humans had built machines that were too complicated for a human being to control, and the lunar module, Command Module, and Saturn V rocket were all controlled by advanced computer technology, with the lunar lander computer containing 2800 silicon chips each with six transistors and 70 kilobytes of core memory.
“it wasn't the dawn of the Space Age it was the dawn of the computer age because For the First Time humans had built machines which were too complicated for a human being to control and so the lunar module and the Command Module and the Saturn V rocket were all controlled by some Advanced for the day computer technology and in indeed the computer on the lunar lander here had a massive 2800 silicon chips each chip was crammed with six transistors and there was a whopping 70 kilobytes of core memory”
Schrodinger's equation, which describes quantum mechanical wave functions for particles in different energy states, is not a mysterious concept but rather a translation of classical ideas—kinetic energy and potential energy—into functions that can describe things in multiple places at once.
“Schrodinger's equation there's nothing mysterious about it it's simply what we're already familiar in the classical world that the energy of a particle such as this cricket ball propagating through space or this Moon orbiting that planet is just given by the sum of the energy due to motion the kinetic energy plus the energy due to any interactions between the two objects such as gravity or electrostatic forces but for quantum mechanics we need to be able to describe things that are in many places at the same time a wave and so we just translate these classical ideas the kinetic energy and the potential energy into functions”
Modern Mars rovers like the Curiosity Rover experience upsets in computer memory when energetic protons from space radiation pass through the electronics, changing bits from zero to one or one to zero, requiring hardware and software to guard against these random perturbations from outside to maintain normal operation.
“the Martian atmosphere is very thin and radiation from space is able to reach the surface and that radiation consists of energetic ions protons the height nucleus of a hydrogen atom which is able to make it down through the thin atmosphere and pass through the electronics on the Rover and this inset here shows upsets in the memory of the computer every time a proton goes zapping through it and maybe changes a bit from a zero to a one or a one from to zero causes other upsets and the hardware and the software has to guard against those random perturbations from outside”
A phosphorus atom naturally embeds beautifully into a silicon crystal lattice and possesses a nuclear spin inside the phosphorus nucleus as well as a single electron orbiting around it which also has spin that can be harnessed for technological applications.
“this is a phosphorus atom that goes into a silicon crystal beautifully and we can see it's got a nuclear spin inside the phosphorus nucleus and there's a single electron orbiting around it which also has a spin which can be harnessed for technological applications”
Another group in Austria performed the double-slit experiment with a buckyball (60 carbon atoms) as the particle, finding the molecule can be in two or three places at the same time and create a Young's two-slit interference pattern, demonstrating that wave-particle duality extends beyond single electrons to complex molecules.
“the more a group in Austria has done the same experiment with a bucky ball 60 carbon atoms in this giant molecule fired at a grating and the molecule can be in two or three places at the same time and make a Young's two-slit interference pattern I find that very spooky but a wonderful aspect of the real world”
Removing silicon-29 isotopes and replacing them with silicon-28 (the zero-spin isotope) creates something like a vacuum with nothing going on except what has been engineered into it with phosphorus atoms, making it the next best thing to a real vacuum for doing quantum mechanics experiments.
“so that's like having a little bar magnet inside our chip which is interacting with our phosphorus atoms and destroying the quantum coherence so step one is to remove the Silicon 29s and replace them with silicon 28 the zero spin isotope and this is like a vacuum with nothing going on except what we've engineered into it with our phosphorus atom it's the next best thing to a real vacuum for doing quantum mechanics”
Standard semiconductor manufacturing techniques including iron implantation involve 15-20 different implantation steps to create silicon chips. After implantation, the crystal is heated to push the implanted phosphorus atoms onto crystal lattice sites, but this process is stochastic with atoms landing at random positions, not suitable for large-scale quantum devices.
“we implant phosphorus atoms into it using the standard techniques of the semiconductor industry there's probably 15 or 20 different Iron implantation steps that have gone to make the Silicon chip in here then we heat up the Crystal and we push the implanted phosphorus atoms onto the crystal lattice site but the way that's done in industry it's like raindrops on a window the raindrops fall at random points on the window this is not good enough for making a large-scale device”
The ability to build large-scale devices from tiny tiny components using imperfect manufacturing techniques while still having them work reliably is a key concept demonstrated by USB drives containing onboard error correction algorithms that detect and wall off failing memory elements.
“the key takeaway from this technology is that it's possible to build large-scale devices from tiny tiny components with imperfect techniques and still have them work just like the Rover on Mars is imperfect because the radiation from space is constantly causing upsets in the memory so you have on boards on onboard algorithms to detect and correct those those errors”
A quantum bit (qubit) differs from a classical bit by existing as a superposition of being in two places at the same time, where the qubit can be in the sum of the zero state and the one state simultaneously, which determines its orientation in space. However, as soon as you observe the qubit, it instantly decoheres into its classical values of zero or one.
“a Quantum bit exists as a superposition of being in two places at the same time like Einstein's Photon being a wave and it can be in a the sum of the zero State and the one state which determines its orientation in space there's only one catch you can exploit this remarkable uh uh large versatility providing you don't observe the qubit because as soon as you observe it it'll instantly Deco here just like the photon changes from a wave to a particle when it interacts with just one electron into its classical values of zero or one”
Paul Dirac observed in 1928 that the underlying physical laws necessary for the mathematical theory of Schrödinger's equation for a large part of physics and the whole of chemistry are completely known, but the difficulty is that the exact application of these laws leads to equations much too complicated to be soluble by available mathematical methods.
“but in 1928 he made the somewhat depressing observation the underlying physical laws necessary for the mathematical Theory Schrodinger's equation of a large part of physics and the whole of chemistry athas completely known I don't know if the chemists would have agreed but that's the physicist View and the difficulty is only that the exact application of these laws leads to equations much more much too complicated to be soluble”
In 1959, Richard Feynman gave a remarkable lecture titled 'There's Plenty of Room at the Bottom' proposing the idea of building a computer employing quantum spins as bits instead of classical bits, which would allow using a quantum system to model another quantum system—an idea with no technology to implement it in 1959.
“but in 1959 Feynman gave this remarkable lecture there's plenty of room at the bottom where he put forward this idea for a new type of calculation not just using classical circuits but a system involving the quantized energy level or the interaction of quantized spins in other words to build a computer that employs Quantum spins as its bits instead of classical bits that would allow you to use a Quantum system to model another quantum system but there was no technology in 1959 to do anything with that idea”
Richard Feynman documented in his famous textbook that when you take an electron gun emitting particles of matter directed at a wall with two slits and measure electron positions at a detector, you will get a Young's two-slit interference pattern rather than a classical shadow of the two slits, though he noted this experiment had never been done when the lectures were published because there was no technology for detecting single electrons at the time.
“in his uh famous textbook he uh described the way Mata behaves using Young's to Slit interference experiment he said you can take an electron gun emitting particles of matter electrons you can direct them to a wall that contains two slits and over here on the backstop there's a detector for measuring the position of all the electrons that pass from the electron gun through the barrier to the detector and when you do this he said you will end up with a Young's two-slit interference pattern not the classical shadow of these two slits but he comments this experiment has never been done in this way because when these lectures were published in the early 60s there was no technology for detecting single electrons at a time”
A spinning top balances due to the velocity vector constantly going around in circles at the rim of the top, which causes the top to process around the gravitational field direction (vertical), and as friction slows the spinning, the procession becomes more extreme until gravity finally causes the top to fall over.
“you can see in the gravitational field of the earth gravity is trying to tip that over and for reasons to do with the velocity Vector constantly going around in circles of the um rim of the top it processes around the gravitational field Direction which is vertical and as it slows down due to friction with the table that procession or that wobble becomes more and more extreme but this is oh until finally it succumbs to gravity”
The Stern-Gerlach experiment of 1922 found that when silver atoms (whose spin came entirely from one unpaired electron in the outer shell) passed through a strong inhomogeneous magnetic field, the beam split into exactly two lines, demonstrating that spin angular momentum is quantized.
“when you boil silver atoms in a vacuum out of a furnace and pass them through a very strong magnetic field you find that the beam of silver atoms splits in two... when this experiment was done first of all this is the result of a beam of silicon atoms hitting this postcard without the magnetic field you just see a line of silver atoms piling into the card then when you turn on the magnetic field you find the line splits in two”
Einstein's 1905 paper on the photoelectric effect proposed that when a light ray spreads from a point, the energy is not distributed continuously over ever-increasing space but consists of a finite number of energy quanta that are localized in points in space, move without dividing, and can be absorbed or generated only as a whole—a sentence widely attributed as the most revolutionary sentence written by a physicist in the 20th century.
“Einstein wrote in the introduction to one of his 1905 papers according to the Assumption to be contemplated here in his paper when a light Ray is spreading from a point the energy is not spread distributed continuously over ever increasing spaces but consists of a finite number of energy quanta that are localized in points in space move without dividing and can be absorbed or generated only as a whole and this sentence in Einstein's 1905 paper is widely attributed to be the most revolutionary sentence written by a physicist in the 20th century”
In 1998, Bruce Kane published a single-author paper in Nature proposing a silicon-based nuclear spin quantum computer based on phosphorus atoms embedded in a silicon crystal lattice, which has been cited thousands of times and triggered a reappraisal of the idea of qubits in engineered devices.
“in 1998 young postdoc at the University of New South Wales Bruce Kane published this single author paper in nature the journal a silicon-based nuclear spin quantum computer based on phosphorus atoms embedded in a silicon crystal lattice this paper has been cited thousands of times and triggered a reappraisal of the idea of qubits in an engineered device”
The caffeine molecule has approximately 100 spinning electrons orbiting the carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen atoms that comprise it, and the number of electron-electron interactions across those 100 outer shell electrons is governed by Schrödinger's equation, but there are so many interactions that even the world's best supercomputers are powerless to calculate the structure of the caffeine molecule.
“the caffeine molecule what a wonderful molecule it docks with all the physics receptors in the brain and makes them go around faster and you get new ideas and you it's great to talk about quantum mechanics and spin and directs depressing observation but the caffeine molecule has got 100 of spinning electrons orbiting the carbon the hydrogen and the oxygen that make up the molecule that's a little electron I made as well which can only have two orientations in space um and the number of electron electron interactions across those 100 outer shell electrons in the molecule are governed by Schrodinger's equation but there are so many interactions that even the world's best supercomputer is powerless to calculate the structure of the caffeine molecule it's just too complicated for a classical computer to solve”
Einstein in 1916 proposed that a quantum object can exist in two energy states, low and high energy, and when a spin is put in a magnetic field, hitting it with a photon can flip the spin from the low energy state to the high energy state, and another photon of the same energy will cause it to decay back to the ground state.
“Einstein in 1916 said imagine you've got a Quantum object which can be in two energy states a low energy State and a high energy State and that is indeed what happens when you put a spin in a magnetic field and you can flip the spin by hitting it with a photon there's a lot of photons going on here but this is a microwave photon now Einstein said if you're in the high energy state after the low energy State absorbs a photon and goes to the high energy State another Photon of the same energy will cause it to Decay back to the ground state”
The photoelectric effect demonstrates that light consists of discrete energy packets (photons) because when sufficiently energetic photons strike a zinc surface, they knock electrons free and discharge an electroscope, but less energetic photons (like those from an incandescent torch) cannot accomplish this even with great intensity.
“if you use photons that are individually sufficiently energetic to knock electrons out of the surface of the zinc you discharge the electroscope but this was Einstein's idea from 1905 to explain that phenomenon the light coming out of that torch or out of that laser or out of the very dangerous ultraviolet uh Light lamp that I'll show you in a moment consists of individual packets of energy that cannot be further subdivided so in other words you can't have half a photon”
When teaching quantum mechanics to undergraduates, universities deliberately bury the shocking truth of wave-particle duality under thick layers of mathematics to conceal from students what's actually happening, and when students ask questions about what's actually happening, they're told to 'shut up and calculate.'
“when we teach this in undergraduate physics we bury it under a thick layer of mathematics to conceal from the students the shocking truth of what's actually happening here and if they ask questions about what's actually happening here we just say shut up and calculate I've been doing it for 20 years but I reveal the shocking truth”
The atomic nucleus of the speaker's phosphorus atom qubit can maintain quantum superposition for more than 30 seconds, which is an extraordinarily long time for a quantum state, enabling extensive quantum calculations during that coherence period.
“we found that the atomic nucleus can last for more than 30 seconds in this superposition of up and down because of the duration of these oscillations and 30 seconds is an eternity for a Quantum state and so we were very pleased to get this expected Quantum state”
The observer must be in the loop for quantum measurement—when the speaker's team first got their phosphorus atom quantum device to work, they could see the electron spin orientation, nuclear spin orientation, and discovered that nature was digital at the fundamental level.
“The Observer has to be in the loop it seems and the first time we got this to work I was in my office in Melbourne I got the call from Sydney where this the measurement is done after we implanted the phosphorus atoms and they said it's working after all these years of work finally we've got a device that is displaying the quantum attributes we've been eagerly seeking so I said don't touch anything don't touch anything I'm coming right now and I saw with my own eyes something I'd been teaching for two decades actually happening in the laboratory we could see the electron spin orientation we could see the nuclear spin orientation we could see that nature was digital at the fundamental level”
The first quantum revolution refers to the foundational role of quantum mechanics in modern technology—computer chips, optical fibers, mobile phones, supercomputers, solar cells, implantable devices, and medical imaging systems all rest on quantum mechanics foundations, though most operate via classical principles with fundamental quantum phenomena buried inside the chips.
“all of these bits and pieces go together to what I call to make what I call the first Quantum Revolution the idea of quantum mechanics is the foundation on which all these gadgets computer chips Optical fibers mobile phones supercomputers solar cells implantable devices Medical Imaging systems all of these things rest on the foundations of quantum mechanics but most of these devices operate via classical principles the fundamental Quantum phenomena are buried down inside the chips”
One future application of quantum computers could be fighting the next pandemic not with test tubes and Petri dishes in the traditional way but by reverse-engineering the spike protein in the next virus and then engineering in silicon the shape of a molecule needed to block its function and act as a vaccine, requiring millions or even billions of qubits.
“getting back to feynman's idea of using a Quantum system to model another quantum system one day the next fact the next pandemic may be fought not with test tubes and Petri dishes in the traditional way but by reverse engineering the spike protein in the next virus and then Engineering in Silicon the shape of a molecule needed to gum up the works and act as a vaccine this is a dream uh which would have enormous benefit”
Bohr's quantum atom paper was read for the first time at a conference of the British Association for the Advancement of Science held in Australia in 1914 at the University of Melbourne, with Rutherford as president presenting the paper since Bohr was on holiday.
“Boar's paper was read for the first time at a conference in my physics department at the University of Melbourne I wasn't there in 1914 when it was read but the British Association for the advancement of science had its meeting in Australia in 1914 it rotated around the Commonwealth mostly it was within the UK but once it went to Canada and this time it went to Australia Rutherford was the president of the British Association his postdoc Niels Bohr wasn't there he was on holidays so Rutherford read the paper”
The cheapest and most scalable qubit that can be made is a qubit based on a single atom, since atoms are really cheap.
“what's the cheapest qubit it's possible to make a qubit based on a single atom atoms are really cheap”
The quantum measurement process involves: placing a single electron in quantum superposition using RF pulses (at 100 mK temperature), moving the electron into a single electron transistor to create a detectable current, connecting this to an oscilloscope to observe the quantum state, and reinitializing the device to repeat the cycle.
“a single electron is brought across onto the phosphorus atom then we do a radio frequency pulse to put it in the quantum superposition this is all at 100 Milli Kelvin it has to be very cold and then by controlling the position of the electron we move it back into this single electron transistor there's a flow of current and that's connected to an oscilloscope and we can see the quantum state of our electron and then we reinitialize the device and it starts all over again”
A useful analogy for photon behavior is a surfer approaching a wave—although the wave spreads across multiple surfers, only one surfer catches the entire wave while the others are left flat in the water, and the wave function describing the probability collapses to one point when it must interact with the physical world.
“imagine you're surfing and you see this wave approaching and there's a whole bunch of surfers lined up ready to Catch the Wave in Einstein's idea only one Surfer can catch the wave so it's like the other two Surfers left and right are left flat in the water and just the surfer guy in the middle catches the entire wave and so in some ways the wave the function that describes the wave collapses just to one point when it has to interact”
Thomas Young's double-slit experiment in 1802 revealed that light was clearly a wave passing through space, and when light from a source passes through a narrow collimator and is incident on a barrier with two slits, the waves passing through create an interference pattern on a screen where peaks overlapping create bright lines and troughs overlapping with peaks create dark lines.
“in 1802 it wasn't clear what exactly was waiving but this was what Thomas Young did well not exactly this but close to this and and this is what it looks like in its modern form first of all you take a source of light um of course Thomas Young in 1802 didn't have an electric light bulb because it hadn't been invented yet so he used the light from a nearby star the sun it passed it through a narrow collimator where upon it produced waves uh of Light which then it was incident on a barrier with two slits and the waves that pass through those two slits then created an interference pattern on the screen”
Niels Bohr discovered the quantum atom, revealing that electrons orbiting the nucleus do not follow classical trajectories like planets orbiting the sun, but instead orbit in quantum mechanical standing waves.
“his postdoc Niels Bohr just a few years later discovered the quantum atom he discovered how the electrons that orbit that nucleus that his supervisor had discovered how they orbit and they orbit not by classical uh trajectories like you have with planets orbiting the Sun but they orbit in quantum mechanical standing waves”
The University of Melbourne is located on the land of the Cooler Nation, the first discoverers and colonizers of the Australian continent more than 60,000 years ago.
“I should acknowledge that the University of Melbourne where I come from where I work is on the land of the cooler Nation the first uh discoverers and colonizer colonizers of the uh continent of Australia uh more than 60 000 years ago”
Ernest Rutherford reverse-engineered the atomic nucleus in 1911, discovering it is surrounded by a cloud of electrons and is extremely tiny and dense—like a dust particle floating inside a cathedral representing the electron cloud.
“in 1911 when Ernest Rutherford reverse engineered the atomic nucleus discovered the nucleus surrounded by its cloud of electrons the nucleus is like the size of a dust particle floating inside a cathedral representing the cloud of electrons something very tiny and very dense”
In 1958, the Americans launched their first satellite into orbit loaded with Geiger counters and discovered the Van Allen radiation belts in the magnetic field of the earth, where charged particles like protons and electrons are trapped in curving magnetic fields and orbit backwards and forwards under the influence of magnetic forces.
“in 1958 okay I've given the game away the Americans launched their first satellite into orbit it was loaded with Geiger counters and it discovered the Van Allen radiation belts in the magnetic field of the earth charged particles particularly protons and electrons are trapped in the curving magnetic fields and they orbit backwards and forwards under the influence of magnetic forces”
The speaker's group's sonic recording of individual phosphorus atoms being implanted through the nanostructure aperture (sounding like rain on a tin roof) was featured on the Australian Broadcasting Commission's sounds of science podcast and can be downloaded as a ringtone.
“this soundtrack was featured on the Australian broadcasting commission's sounds of science so if you Google it up you could download it and use it if you as your ringtone if you wish”
The University of Melbourne physics building has in its basement a large particle accelerator with several beam lines used for material science research directed toward quantum technology projects, and a cryogenic system for measuring material properties at very low temperatures, particularly the behavior of spins.
“in the basement is my laboratory I have a large particle accelerator and a series of beam lines that we use for doing Material Science and in particular the material science uh directed towards our Quantum technology projects we also have a cryogenic system for measuring the properties of materials at very low temperatures particularly uh the the behavior of spins”
The Minolta SR7 (a single-lens reflex camera from 1958) employed some of the best quantum nanotechnology ever developed—electrons in quantum wells inside silver halide crystals—but this technology is now obsolete.
“one of the first single lens reflex cameras uh was when on the market the Minolta sr7 I have one of these in my vintage camera collection and this device employs some of the best quantum nanotechnology you've probably never heard of but unfortunately is now obsolete but I don't have time to say very much about the wonders of electrons in Quantum Wells inside silver halide crystals but it's a wonderful technology now sadly obsolete”
Personal computer chips today contain billions of transistors integrated on them at a cost per transistor of about 10 nanoseconds dollars (or about 3 nano Euros), representing a remarkable advance since 1958 when integrated circuits were first invented.
“today of course you can buy personal computer chips with uh billions of transistors integrated onto them and the cost per transistor is about 10 nano dollars that's an extraordinary number of human artifacts available at a very low price or about three Nano Euros a remarkable Advance since 1958”
If technology had followed the 1958 trajectory of jet aircraft development, modern aircraft would be supersonic and humans could travel from Melbourne to London in just a few hours, but instead, this technological path was not pursued.
“well unfortunately we didn't go down that particular timeline what we got instead was that and I I don't I think we went Australia there somewhere okay all right so never mind uh in 1958”
The speaker was offered a fellowship by the Royal Society (Wolfson visiting fellow) which supported her visit and activities in the UK for several weeks after Australia's borders opened following two years of closure.
“I'm here uh today in the United Kingdom the Australian borders were closed for two years and I managed to as soon as they come it came down I was able to take up a fellowship that had been offered by the Royal Society a couple of years ago a Wolfson visiting fellow which has supported my visit and my activities here in the UK over the last few weeks”