The host argues that one way to read the necessity of liberal leaders embodying contradictions is that such compromises with illiberalism, while regrettable, contained and drained power from explicitly illiberal movements, functioning as a pluralistic check on them.

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their defenders certainly would say kept some of these other currents in check because, you know, it sort of drained some of their opponents of of power.

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The Very American Roots of Trumpism | The Ezra Klein ShowThe Ezra Klein Show
Created: 8/11/2026, 6:26:44 AM

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