In intelligence work, individuals and assets can be simultaneously patriotic and treasonous, believing multiple contradictory things at once; the binary notion of 'spy or not spy' is naive—people work across purposes simultaneously and this is how intelligence operations actually function.
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Glenn CarleEvidence Quote
“more often all of us are contradictory and all of us operate at multiple levels of conviction and sincerity with respect to the infinite number of issues to which we react in our our lives. And so I can simultaneously be an American patriot and work to undermine my country. [38:23]”
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