Howard Marks
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Co-founder of Oaktree Capital; distressed debt investor and author
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Only about half of the nifty50 stocks (as enumerated by Wikipedia) remain in the S&P 500 today; while mergers and acquisitions account for some disappearances (not failures), missing leaders include Xerox, Kodak, Polaroid, Avon, Burrough, Digital Equipment, and Simplicity Pattern, illustrating how hard persistence is.
The appropriate price to pay for a company that will make $1 million next year and then shut down is slightly less than $1 million; however, stocks are priced at P/E multiples (multiples of earnings) because investors assume companies will earn profits year after year into the future, making valuation a question of discounting perpetual future earnings.
The three stages of a bull market are: first, only a few insightful people see improvement is possible after a crash; second, the economy and markets actually improve and most people accept it; third, after sustained good news and soaring earnings, everyone concludes things can only get better forever—the last stage marks bubble psychology.
Psychological extremeness marking a bubble can often be inferred from widespread participation in investment fads among non-financial types; legendary examples include JP Morgan learning of a problem when his shoeshine boy offered stock tips, and John Paulson's partner observing bubble conditions when a soccer dad bragged about tech stocks in 2000 and a Vegas cabbie discussed three condo purchases in 2006.
Bubbles are invariably associated with new developments—technological or financial—including the nifty50 stocks in the 1960s, disc drive companies in the 1980s, TMT/internet stocks in the late 1990s, subprime mortgage-backed securities in 2004-2006, and historically the 1630s Dutch tulip craze and the 1720 South Sea Bubble.
In normal circumstances, investment historians can use historical precedent to constrain excessive valuations (e.g., 'this industry has never sold above X% premium'), but when something is new with no history, there is no tether to terrafirma, allowing unbounded enthusiasm because it is owned by 'the brightest people' shown in headlines and on TV who have made fortunes.
Three factors contributed to investor fascination with nifty50 stocks: first, strong post-WWII US economic growth; second, involvement in innovations like computers, drugs, and consumer products; third, the emergence of growth stocks as a new investment style that became a fad in itself.
The nifty50 were the object of the first big bubble in 40 years; since there hadn't been a bubble for so long, investors had forgotten what one looks like—causing them to lose 90% even though these were supposedly the best companies in America, with P/E ratios collapsing from 60-90x to 6-9x.
From his nifty50 experience, Marks formulated three guiding principles: (1) It's not what you buy, it's what you pay that counts—good investing is about buying things well, not buying good things; (2) There's no asset so good that it can't become overpriced and dangerous; (3) There are few assets so bad that they can't get cheap enough to be a bargain.
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