
Markets Overvalued by 150% as Dishonest Metrics Hide the Coming 'Catastrophic' Collapse: Dave Collum
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Michelle Makori, Lead Anchor and Editor-in-Chief at Kitco News, interviews Dave Collum, Professor of Organic Chemistry at Cornell University and Zero Hedge Contributor, who says that markets are currently overvalued by 150%. Collum warns that dishonest macroeconomic metrics hide the coming “catastrophic” correction. He weighs in on the upcoming BRICS summit and the accelerating de-dollarization trend. Collum cautions that a “gruesome” decade could be ahead with the U.S. dollar at risk of collapse. He also shares his investment strategy for the short-term and for the next 40 years, including his gold price forecast.
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00:00 Coming Up 01:12 Market Overvaluation and Economic Concerns 06:45 Critique of Inflation Measurement Methods 18:49 Federal Reserve and Interest Rate Policies 22:05 Market Valuation Metrics 28:31 Investment Strategies and Gold 30:20 Market Outlook 41:05 Global Monetary System and De-dollarization 45:48 BRICS Summit Expectations 49:50 Dollar Hegemony 51:59 U.S. Global Influence 53:56 Gold and Central Banks 01:00:11 Bitcoin 01:07:00 U.S. Elections 01:15:11 Weaponization of the Justice System __________________________________________________________________ Kitco News is the gold standard in precious metals, commodities, cryptocurrencies, mining, and financial news. SUBSCRIBE to our channel to stay up to date on the latest market and industry news. For breaking news, views, charts, and data on precious metals, cryptocurrencies, and financial markets - visit us at https://www.kitco.com To get market updates on the go, download the Kitco Gold Live! APP - https://applications.kitco.com Stay connected: Twitter - https://twitter.com/kitconewsnow Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/kitconews Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/KitcoNews LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/company/kitconews StockTwits - https://stocktwits.com/kitconews Live gold price and chart: https://www.kitco.com/gold-price-today-usa/ Live silver price and chart: https://www.kitco.com/Silver-price-today-USA/ Live crypto market data: https://www.kitco.com/price/crypto/ Learn more about Kitco News: https://www.kitco.com/news/about/
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Colum argues that official US economic metrics (CPI, GDP) are systematically dishonest by design, masking real inflation and economic decline; combined with market overvaluation of 150%, a 60% correction is mathematically inevitable within 40 years, and geopolitical weaponization of the dollar is accelerating de-dollarization, fundamentally threatening US hegemony.
- CPI methodology (OER, hedonic adjustments, substitution) systematically understates true inflation by ~5% annually; real inflation-adjusted GDP growth over 30 years is negative when corrected
- S&P 500 P/E ratio of 36 vs. historical average of 12 means markets are 200-300% overvalued; historical precedent shows overvalued markets always regress to mean, correcting 60-90%
- US weaponization of SWIFT/dollar against Russia triggered BRICS alliance expansion to 25 countries; if major buyers (Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, India) stop buying US debt, Fed must monetize, collapsing dollar and forcing de-dollarization
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Gold has historically purchased the same real value—an ounce of gold bought an expensive suit and one month of unskilled labor in ancient Rome, and it still does today (~$2,500 buys ~one month of unskilled labor), demonstrating gold's preservation of purchasing power across millennia.
“Everyone likes to say gold has been able to buy a a an expensive suit since the an ounce of gold could buy an expensive suit since the dawn of time right but I don't know what a Roman suit looked like what I've also read is that an ounce of gold could buy you a month's worth of Labor and a month's worth of Labor hasn't changed just hard unskilled labor hasn't changed and so you say well an ounce of gold $2,500 a month uh that's about what you'd pay an unskilled laborer and and I'm told that back in ancient Rome it bought an ounce it bought an month of unskilled labor”
Nominal GDP includes consumption-based growth, yet the economy should only report as 'growing' when wealth is produced; the claim that 70% of U.S. GDP is consumption is inverted logic—you produce first, then consume—and reflects the federal government's practice of pulling future consumption forward via 7% annual debt growth.
“they say that their economy 70% consumption that's not an economy you're you you get to consume after you produce wealth so so if I if I'm on a desert island and I don't catch fish I don't get to eat if if I don't build a house I don't have I don't have a dwelling to to to live in and so you have you produce wealth and then you consume because you produce wealth you can't say that 70% of what we do is consumption 100% of the economy is production of some kind and the consumption is what we get to do right with that wealth that we created”
Glenn Greenwald's analysis of rule by committee rather than individual leadership is particularly relevant given the Cuban Missile Crisis as historical contrast: JFK's willingness to personally own the decision ('history will show this was my fault') created a different outcome than committee-driven governance would have produced.
“Glen Greenwald wrote an article about the danger of the country being led by committee rather than having a person at the top think think of the Cuban Missile Crisis without Kennedy imagine you remov J JFK from that room what would have happened and the outcome I think would have been very different I think it came to the fact that there was one guy there who said history will show that it was my fault if I blow this and so he tried to get it right”
The Nikkei index example (Japan) shows that overvalued markets can take 35+ years to regress to mean: the Nikkei is now 35 years later at the same level it was in 1989 without inflation correction, which effectively represents a 50%+ loss when adjusted for inflation and accounting for taxes, fees, and dividends foregone.
“the Nik I did a George Noble Twitter spaces George was Peter Lynch's right-hand man so this was a cool Twitter space and um and he said you could short it I said no you couldn't George you know you couldn't trying to short the Nik would took 15 years to find the bottom your your your frictional cost would destroy you trying to short the Nik and and so so uh and so the Nik is 35 years later without inflation correction identical to what it was in '89 it finally made a new high without inflation correction and it doesn't include now it doesn't include dividends I don't know what their dividends were but it also doesn't incl include taxes and fees and so you could really argue that n is down 50% for all I know still”
The US made a fundamental geopolitical blunder by weaponizing the SWIFT system and dollar against Russia, signaling to every other nation that the US dollar is a weapon and cannot be trusted as a store of value, triggering a BRICS alliance expansion from 4 to ~25 countries.
“I think our absolutely most fundamental mistake that we made was was using the dollar as a military weapon against Russia the the to the second that we told Russia by the way we're going to use the dollar and we're going to knock you out of the Swift system and things like that every leader of every country in the world said holy moly I'm now in a position where if I piss off the United States they're gonna hurt me with the banking system so I think that began a massive geopolitical movement to shift alliances”
State regulatory persecution of Bitcoin (e.g., 10-year prison sentences for using Bitcoin) could destroy Bitcoin's utility even if the blockchain technology itself is sound; authoritarianism can suppress any technology it chooses.
“I don't trust the state to not step on it and the the maximalists will say oh the state can't do that that's the beauty of the blockchain I go if the federal government says you will go to prison for 10 years if you use Bitcoin I can guarantee you Bitcoin is not going to do well because authoritarianism can take out anything it wants like that”
We are at a market top with an emotionally grumpy population—opposite of 2000's Euphoria—combined with talk of Civil War, authoritarianism, and institutional distrust; this emotional bottom + market top combination could precede a multi-generational downturn affecting Boomers' retirement savings and younger generations' ability to purchase housing.
“we're at a market top they say the economy is still okay if if if 10 years from now you were to look back I bet you would say that the chance that that this represents some sort of top and that we're going to go through a tough period we have never been at a top with people in such a grumpy mood remember 2000 it was Euphoria the world was phenomenal everything was great we're all going to get rich off pet pets.com you know the the Internet Was Gonna Change the World it felt so good this top you got people who are talking about Civil War got people are talking about authoritarianism by the way people includes me um this emotionally looks like a bottom and so then the question is what happens when let's say I'm right the Boomers lose more than half of their retirement money what happens when because of these downturns you know Gen X or gen Z or or Millennials or whatever still can't buy a house and it Society is going to be in a bad mood”
Dividend yield has collapsed from historical average of 4.5% to current 1.5%, implying markets are overvalued by a factor of 3 based on cash flow alone, independent of P/E ratio analysis.
“dividends if you wish you can actually use dividends right the dividends over that over that period average around four and a half percent they got as high as 6% they're now one and a half percent so averaging four and a half one and a half what's the market overvalued factor of three by that model”
Gold is not useful as a short-term spending currency because its price fluctuates too erratically; in the short term, dollars offer more stable prices for consumer goods than gold-denominated prices.
“so so so the price in the grocery store is going to be more stable denominated in dollars than gold short term and and they always say oh it's not the price of gold that's going up or down it's the value of the dollar no it moves too erratically for that to be a accurate statement long-term yes shortterm no”
If Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, and India stop buying US debt, the Federal Reserve will be forced to monetize (print money) to purchase US debt, which will cause the dollar to collapse and accelerate de-dollarization.
“and so China's not buying our debt Russia's not buying our debt um uh you and I should not be buying our debt uh and so who's going to buy our debt well apparently the Federal Reserve at some point they say and yes you just said the year in treasuries twoyear twoyear treasuries you're comfortable with that level of debt uh oh yeah... well if India's if if Russia's not buying our debt and if China's not buying our debt if Saudi Arabia stops buying our debt and I don't know what they're say they might have already stopped buying there's no one left to buy our debt which means the Federal Reserve has to buy our debt which means we're monetizing that which means the dollar is going to get smacked”
The de-dollarization movement is fundamentally about geopolitical alliances, not about the creation of a competing currency; a BRICS currency would take 20+ years to develop (as the Euro did) and is unlikely, but the shift to non-dollar trade and reserve holdings among 25+ countries is already happening regardless of currency alternatives.
“a lot of currency guys will say well the bricks currency will suck I don't think it's about the bricks currency I think it's about alliances I talked to Steve hanky about this for about two hours he agreed he's a currency expert he says you're dead right it's not about a currency it's not about some bricks currency it took the Euro 20 years to show up so Brick's currency is not going to show up”
Hedonic adjustments and substitution bias in CPI are nefarious behaviors that systematically understate inflation by allowing the Bureau of Labor Statistics to claim products haven't increased in price because of minor improvements (e.g., windshield wipers), or by assuming consumers accept lower-quality substitutes without true cost-of-living impact.
“they do honic adjustments where they say look you've now got intermittent windshield wipers and therefore you your car is better than you than than than it used to be and therefore we have to correct for that and and uh and then they over correct for it so they say that basically the price of cars haven't gone up there's so much that as soon as you start putting in these fudge factors the nefarious Behaviour kicks in”
Shadow Stats and Chapwood Index show real inflation running approximately 5% higher annually than official CPI over the last 30 years, meaning if official CPI claims 3% inflation, actual inflation is closer to 8%.
“if you look at Shadow stats.com which I think has been demonized enough that people probably ignore John Williams but if you look at uh the chapwood index um by a guy named Bowski um uh uh they both over the last 30 years have shown that that um a more traditional metric for measuring inflation let's go to chapwood they take something like the 50 largest cities they look at 500 prices in those 50 largest cities they don't correct for anything there's no seasonal adjustment which I still haven't figured out what it is and um and they just say what's happened to the prices and the chapwood index and the the shadow stats have been running I would say over the last 30 years on average maybe 5% higher than the regular inflation the CPI measured inflation”
US equities are overvalued by at least 150%, with the Shiller P/E ratio currently at 36 (vs. historical average of 12 from 1880-1994), and there is no historical precedent for an overvalued market that didn't eventually become undervalued.
“I actually post on Twitter yesterday after you and I had a what we'll call a brief chat um and that is you take the case Shiller index and you you you go back to 1880 to about 1994 and you plot it and then I actually just eyeballed it but I actually I think I know the answer anyway so I think it usually sits around 12 and and and during that window if you eyeball um if you eyeball what what what the cas Shiller uh price earnings ratio is it looks like it's averaging about 12 for that uh what's that 20 plus so 115 years then when you PLP the whole thing with that same line on it you can see that the markets left orbit in 1994”
Bitcoin has not yet been tested through a major credit crunch; it may perform well or may crash 95%, making Bitcoin's behavior during systemic financial stress unpredictable and therefore unsuitable as primary wealth preservation.
“Bitcoin has not yet been through a credit crunch so in 0809 it was a twinkle in satoshi's eye basically and in I don't know when it actually formally started it was somewhere back near there but it it was just it was just an oddity it was just a quirky thing and and so I will be watching Bitcoin with great enthusiasm not necessarily to buy but just out of pure interest if we have another credit crunch what happens to the Bitcoin Market it could go into a Swan Dive it could gold holds up gold gets hurt but holds up pretty well”
Modern consumer goods have dramatically shortened lifespans compared to historical durability: a 70-year-old refrigerator still functioned while modern refrigerators fail within 10 years; a reclining bed motor broke after 1 day; a vintage blender lasted 70 years while new blenders last 3 years, representing effective tenfold inflation in per-use cost that CPI never corrects for.
“one of the things we don't correct for is um is the cost per use so I just put a 70-year-old refrigerator out to pasture it still worked the compressor was fine but we got a new fridge...70 years from now there will be zero 70 year old refrigerators that still run probably 10 years from now there'll be zero 10-year-old refrigerators that run because the average refrigerator has the life expectancy of a fruit fly”
The 2008 financial crisis correction brought markets back only to historical fair value (~12 PE) and held there for approximately one month before dip-buyers returned, never ripping the will out of investors or forcing deep enough sentiment correction; this prevents lasting behavioral change and allows complacency to rebuild.
“the 2008 correction for example got back to fair value but not cheaper and some metrics it went actually slightly below fair value but I had dinner with Mark Spitzer one night and he and I said I said I said they they just barely got the fair value and and he concurred he said and they only spent about a month at fair value”
The numbers are dishonest—not just inaccurate but intentionally fictionalized by officials who have long since passed the point of trying to get inflation measurements right.
“I think the numbers are dishonest they're not just inaccurate I don't I don't think they're I I I think we've long since passed the point where they're trying to get it right”
The US Southern Border has been deliberately left open, allowing thousands to tens of thousands of 'bad actors' to enter unmonitored; if the US were a genuine adversary, this would be an optimal window to infiltrate operatives; the fact that this opportunity has been exploited or is about to be exploited represents a catastrophic security failure.
“Springfield Ohio has 20,000 Haitians in a town of 60,000 um I'm doing a a second podcast with one of the world's expert on the southern border he's a Border guard who's who's written the book on it who's made documentaries on it and uh We've let thousands of people into this country who are Bad actors possibly tens of thousands possibly hundreds of thousands and I'm not talking Bad actors because they're poor and they're people of color whatever I'm talking people who Maybe came here to be bad actors if I were an enemy of the United States and over the last four years those borders were thrown wide open I either moved unbelievable numbers of my people across those borders into the United States unmonitored or I am not a very scary enemy of the United States”
COVID was a geopolitical event, not a health event; the government overplayed its hand by locking down healthy children, destroying 3 million small businesses, and suppressing effective treatments (ivermectin), causing the population to question official narratives on subsequent topics including 9/11, Pearl Harbor, and WWII.
“so co co clearly was a geopolitical event it was not a health event if they had played it with a slightly softer touch they might have gotten away with a lot of stuff but but they overplayed it and and so so you know if you don't at this point know that the vaccine killed a lot of people um you have not been paying attention because it did if you don't know that iveron is a an unbelievably good drug with no side effects you have not been paying attention they overplayed their hand on this and so you've got a huge percentage of the population going okay so the co story was a farce they didn't they locked down kids who were not getting sick at all it was a farce they destroyed 3 million small businesses it was a farce once you start questioning things like that you don't stop you say what about 911 what about Pearl Harbor what about World War II and it it it turns out that you you find that that they're always lying to us”
Even if Trump wins the election, the US presidency may be a largely irrelevant office in practice; Biden showed the office can be run by committee, and the same could be true under Trump, meaning regime change within the US political system is insufficient to address underlying institutional problems.
“I think when the right person is there I'm reading an Annie Jacobson's book nuclear war and it's terrifying they describe the sequence of events that happens if there's a nuclear strike heading our way and how they open up the nuclear football and the various checkpoints and stuff like that and you go you don't want Biden or Harris with that and I'm not sure you want Trump with that um I might feel better with Obama with that um you want a very clear-headed person at the helm and so I think the Biden presidency showed that you can live without a president but it didn't in any way dissuade me from believing that it's an extremely risky state of being”
Owner's equivalent rent (OER) comprises 27% of CPI and is calculated by surveying homeowners on hypothetical rental value, a fundamentally flawed methodology that no one could possibly answer accurately.
“they calculate the rising costs of housing um through Oar which is basically owner's equivalent rent and and the way that that's 27% of CPI and it is determined by surveying homeowners and saying how much could you rent your house for and the answer to that question is who could possibly answer that question who could possibly know what their house could be rented for”
Americans are exposed to propaganda they don't recognize as propaganda, unlike citizens of authoritarian states who know they're being lied to; this loss of information trust is accelerating as the official CPI and election narratives prove false.
“there's there's famous people who've noted that people who lived in authoritarian States they say look we knew that it was propaganda what they're shocked by is that the Americans don't understand that they're getting propaganda”
A central bank digital currency (CBDC) represents the ultimate tool of authoritarian control because governments can program spending constraints (e.g., 'food only,' 'only in winter'), expiration dates, and location restrictions into digital money, enabling total surveillance and behavioral control.
“nothing keeps me up at night more than the idea of a central bank digital currency as the ultimate tool of Oppression that's a nightmare that's a nightmare”
Nvidia is profoundly overvalued because customers are buying chips but haven't generated a single penny of profit from the product, and Nvidia may be vendor-financing through shell companies, making it vulnerable to a 95% correction.
“take a company like Nvidia which which which is somewhere between profoundly overvalued because their customers are buying their chips and they haven't yet figure out how to make a single penny out of the product um to the fact that they appear to be vendor financing through shell companies and therefore could do a 95% Swan die for a whole host of reasons”
When the selling panic starts, everything will be sold indiscriminately—gold, equities, real estate—because people will be desperate to raise cash; therefore, you don't want to own anything highly correlated to risk during the correction, but rather hold dry powder to buy when panic is maximum.
“when the selling starts everything's going to sell people are going to start selling the shirts off their backs at some point probably and so you don't you don't really want to own anything when the selling starts you don't want to own gold even when the selling starts because because people will sell whatever they can but there are things you say look if I have to own something I'd rather own a two-year treasury I'd rather own gold I'm comfortable with gold um but I'm pretty cashed up”
The weaponization of the justice system under Biden's DOJ (Merrick Garland) against Trump constitutes treasonous behavior and represents the destruction of rule of law; 34 felony charges appear to be unfounded, and prosecution of J6 attendees for 870 years collectively is Hitlerian.
“weaponization of the justice system was Biden's Legacy I think the the it's actually the in my opinion the Democratic party's Legacy so so I see you know gender transitions I see a lot of real rot in the system um I but but by using the justice system to take out political opponents we have really really stepped off the precipice in my opinion um when B bragged about putting J Sixers in jail for a sum total of 870 years that that to me I I that that was hitlerian that that was just truly awful”
Central banks worldwide are buying gold at record levels because 'they're not stupid'—this signals that some nation or bloc will soon back a currency with gold or issue gold certificates, which would immediately undermine the dollar.
“what do you make of the fact that all of these central banks have been buying gold at record levels because they're not stupid I that's what you have to buy right that that the fact that the central banks are buying gold my God does that make me salivate over my gold holding”
The US faces deliberate self-destruction not through military invasion but through internal destabilization via the justice system, election manipulation, and institutional capture; foreign adversaries have engineered this degradation through subversion rather than force.
“I think these are people who wish to destroy the United States I think I think this is all part of a plan you're not going to destroy the United States with battleships and with bombers and things like that you're going to destroy us by getting us to destroy ourselves and they are doing a superior job of doing that”
Equity markets have historically provided a maximum sustainable return of approximately 4% annually, which Collum attributes to dividend yields; anything beyond this must be capital appreciation divorced from fundamental earnings, representing pure speculation.
“Buffett said the most you can hope to get out of an equity exposure is about 4% which is exactly what you got and then you say but those don't include fees they don't include taxes so you probably got 2%”
The $3 trillion mega-cap tech market cap represents a concentration risk where a $3 trillion wealth destruction could occur in roughly the same timeframe as the 2000 dot-com crash (90% decline), which did happen before and can happen again.
“there's a $3 trillion market cap that could go down within an air bar of zero it did it in 2000 it could do it again and that's $3 trillion dollar out of people's pocket”
The economy is starting to roll over despite official statistics suggesting stability, as evidenced by disastrous commercial real estate conditions and state-level business struggles masked by national job numbers that are dominated by worthless government jobs and new bureaucratic positions.
“the economy is starting to roll over despite what some people said...if you look at official statistics you don't get a good read because it's election year...if you look at for example commercial real estate it's in a disastrous state right now um if you look at at at at numbers that are below the radar so instead of looking at National job numbers which turn out to be dominated by new government jobs and those are worthless jobs that's busy work”
BlackRock and other traditional finance institutions are investing in Bitcoin not out of genuine belief in decentralized currency but to profit before regulated out, and will immediately abandon Bitcoin when regulatory pressure arrives.
“black rock is up to its ass and Dei watch they're running from they'll run from that so fast so these these big money guys will will stay in an asset long enough to make a ton of money and then they will bury you up to your neck as soon as it's it sues to purposes”
The BRICS summit being held in Russia (October 22-24) with heads of state in attendance (not prime ministers) is the most important signal: the 'cool kids' geopolitically are no longer the West, they're gravitating toward Russia.
“I think the most important thing has already been done and that is I I don't know what's going to come out of this meeting the fact that they are holding the meeting in Russia is the story we have done everything within our power to demonize Russia and we've got 25 empy important countries going to Russia to hold a meeting yeah and and they're heads of state the the leaders are arriving as well they're not sending the prime ministers the presidents they're all showing up that's right so the cool kids are not us anymore that's the problem”
A 60% correction would be necessary to bring markets back to historical fair value, and such a correction must accomplish two things: (1) reset prices to rational levels, and (2) destroy investor sentiment and confidence sufficiently that buyers don't immediately bid prices back up on dips.
“most people don't agree with some people say 20% I go no correction does two things it corrects the price back to a rational level I would argue a 60% correction would be needed the other thing is it corrects investor attitudes for the last four decades investor attitudes they've developed a sense of invincibility so every time the markets drop they say now is the time to buy V bounce after V bounce after V bounce and the markets never ever really dro the price to cheap and they never rip the will out of the markets to make them really suffer where they say never again I'm not touching that crap”
Bitcoin may be a Trojan horse crowdsourcing technological development for CBDCs (central bank digital currencies); the original Bitcoin white paper may have been written by NSA researchers, suggesting Bitcoin was designed to debug blockchain technology for eventual state digital currency adoption.
“it's possible that the entire purpose of Bitcoin is being missed by some and that is that I I'm told it gets to the question what is the fact I'm told that the original paper the white paper on bitcoin was written by three guys from the NSA the first paper that had the word coin uh currency in it was written by three NSA guys that would lead you to believe that it's possible that the story about Bitcoin is not quite what we're being told it's not some Grassroots thing now what would it be well one of the possibilities is it could be they're crowdsourcing the technological development required to bring in cbdc so what does Bitcoin do first it gets you used to owning a digital currency second they've debugged the whole blockchain problem and all sorts of details and they say okay now we're going to squash Bitcoin but here's cbdcs and that's authoritarianism”
Modern companies are financialized rather than wealth-creating (e.g., Facebook, Microsoft, Nvidia) and contribute nothing to real economic growth; growth appears to come from rising valuations divorced from earnings rather than productive activity.
“it's in uh it's in Facebook now if Facebook went away today would anyone lose anything the answer is no not a chance right Facebook is Facebook friends maybe some uh some uh social media influences would lose their Instagram money but but but the point is is that that the companies today are not the companies of your they're not us steel they're not Ford motor they're not they're not um they're not railroad companies they're not wealth creating companies they're they're financialized companies”
Post-COVID, a looting phenomenon has emerged where coordinated groups of 20+ people with cell phones organize flash loots, destroy stores in 10 minutes, and exploit broken law enforcement; this represents a cascading breakdown of civil order.
“we've got this this looting phenomenon we've got Society figured out that 20 20 kids with their cell phones can organize a loot and they can go in and destroy a store in 10 minutes”
The Republican party doesn't actually want Trump; they want him and MAGA out, but they can't say so because Trump and MAGA have become too powerful, so Republicans are trying to manage a return to 'normal' pre-Trump party orthodoxy.
“it's pretty clear to me the Republicans didn't want Trump they just couldn't stop him so they they want MAA out of there they want Trump out of there they can't say it because MAA and Trump are too powerful but the Republicans want to go back to normal they want to go back to being a bunch of you know sort of authoritarian light leaders and and go back to the olden days”
Microsoft software has not improved in 20 years and has actually gotten worse, yet stock price has increased tenfold in the last dozen years, with fourfold of that increase being pure valuation expansion unrelated to business improvement.
“has Your Word file that has your word software improved in the last 20 years no it's actually gotten worse in my opinion um but here's the important Point Microsoft has gone up I don't know about tenfold in the last Dozen Years now it turns out that fourfold of that is increasing valuation it's just a higher price for the same Revenue stream which means therefore that if Microsoft were simply to return to 200 sort of 13 value valuations it would be a 75% correction”
The Fed's 50 basis point rate cut in September was shocking and unjustified by headline data, suggesting Powell may have seen evidence of regional bank collapse that isn't yet visible to markets, or Powell may be caving to political pressure and abandoning his legacy of being a strong central banker.
“I was shocked by the 50% for 50 basis points not shocked shocked but not surprised how's that that's I like those two different words um to the extent that you'd have a tough time making the case for it unless they can see something we can't see and that is it's conceivable that they can see now that the regional banks are all collapsing and and we just can't see it yet”
The Magnificent 7 (and mega-cap tech generally) show extremely low cash flow (1% payout rate): even if earnings double, payout rises only to 2%; even if earnings quadruple, payout is only 4%—making it mathematically very difficult to generate acceptable returns from these stocks.
“if you look at the mag 7 which I can't remember what the PE Ratio is but it's a monstrous number according to their PE ratio they're kicking out 1% a year you say well what if they grow okay let's say their earnings double they can now kick out 2% a year let's say they quadruple 4% a year you see the problem it's mathematically very hard to get out of a 1% cash flow”
Powell may be more concerned about his legacy (being viewed as Arthur Burns—a failed Fed chair—vs. Paul Volcker—a successful one) than the market understands, and his resolve to hold steady on rates should not be underestimated based on this reputational motivation.
“I think Paul's worried about his legacy I think the economists and the market makers and stuff are underestimating that Powell might be more worried about whether he's going to be Arthur Burns or Paul vuler then they're giving him credit so in the New Orleans meeting for several years I've said you guys are underestimating Powell's resolve to be one of the Great Central Bankers if he can I meaning he's going to hold steady meaning you don't see c i that's why I was shocked by the 50 basis points”
The Daniel Penny subway case exemplifies legal system corruption: Penny subdued a threatening attacker with a chokehold, yet faces homicide charges; had he shot the attacker, he'd receive a medal, yet he's instead prosecuted, showing the justice system is inverted.
“another example it's not even politicized Daniel Penny saves a bunch of people in a Subway guy's crazy he walks in the subway says I'm going to kill people I don't care blah blah blah Daniel Penny puts a choke on it for 90 seconds it wasn't 50 90 seconds and he's up on a homicide charge Daniel Penny if he pulled out a gun and blown the guy's head off I would give him a medal for taking control of a bad situation the guy was threatening to kill people yet he's on a homicide charge it's just astonishing to me”
Pfizer is a case study in profit extraction followed by stagnation: despite generating exceptional one-time windfall profits from COVID vaccines and dividend payments during 2020-2022, the stock is lower now than before COVID, showing that outsized profits were extracted through dividends rather than creating fundamental business value.
“fiser by the way has been a lousy investment since 1990s when when I I think during the Clinton era something caused all the farmers I'll probably you know nationalize Healthcare coming or something but but it's been a lousy investment um if you but if you you look at fiser before covid and you look at fizer now it's lower now than it was before covid this is how you track profits and so you go did the did that big huge vaccine payout provide nothing and the answer is no in the middle they had a couple of oneoff dividend payments P ments that were exceptional dividend payments and I haven't actually done the math but you can actually see the dividend payments Spike hold there for maybe two years and then drop right back down”
Calling market bottoms is notoriously difficult; a 90% correction is actually an 80% correction followed by another 50% decline; Colum erred in 2008-2009 by being too cautious and not deploying capital when the market hit fair value.
“I think it's credit for this he says you know what a 90% correction is he says a 90% Corrections an 80% correction and then cuts that then Cuts in half so you you buy a dip an 80% dip and then you lose half your money you feel pretty stupid so so so calling the bottoms hard the mistake that I made in '0809 I won't make again and that is when it reached fair value historical fair value I should have said how much do I want to own at fair value and then say 40 years from now I'll be okay”
The Fed's entire purpose is to throw the free market out of equilibrium through constant rate changes, preventing stable price discovery and forcing investors to constantly recalibrate rather than allowing rational allocation of capital.
“the entire purpose of changing the rate is to throw the free market off its heel onto its heels the entire purpose say oh oh now we're going to change the rates so oh you you are now officially wrong you have to correct for that error right so so so I think it was hyek said look we can we can handle all sorts of bizarre rules as long as they're consistent but the the fed their entire purpose for being is to throw us out of equilibrium right if if we knew the rates were going to be five fed funds rate was going to be 5% till the end of time the free market would say okay I know what to do with that”
A gold-backed currency would not require the complexity of a fiat currency like the Euro; it would simply be gold certificates that represent fractions of gold (e.g., 0.1 ounce), immediately convertible to physical gold, requiring no sophisticated central bank coordination.
“you don't need a currency if you say here's a currency that's back by gold if if if they come up with a currency that's backed by gold it it's just a receipt again we're back to the old idea that that a receipt for an ounce of gold is really just gold so it doesn't require cleverness like the Euro required cleverness because it was a fiat currency and there were all these connections and all these different uh you know how do you how do you how do you have a currency and in how do you have debt in Greece and debt in Germany and how do you juggle those two and and and but if you have a piece of paper that says this buys you an ounce of gold that's not a complicated currency at all that's just gold that's just you could print those if if they said we're going to back this we have enough gold now let's say China has 87,000 tons of gold like some people speculate which I think is a big number China could all of a sudden say we're going to have gold certificates we're going back to Gold certificates here's a certificate that offers you a tenth of an ounce of gold and they do it by Friday and what would be the consequences of such a move”
Colum believes if the election were fair, Trump would win with a huge margin, but Kamala Harris is likely to win due to election irregularities, suggesting the 'cool kids' (intelligence community and institutional power) don't actually want Trump in office.
“I believe if the election was straight I think Trump would own it with a huge margin I don't think you can take Kamala who was the least least favorite vice president in history and all of a sudden turn her into a winner like that I think that's I think that's a media narrative that is just a complete fabrication”
Colum maintains a large cash position (including 2-year Treasury notes at 4-5% yield) as 'optionality'—preserving dry powder to deploy when the correction arrives, rather than chasing current yields or maintaining full equity exposure.
“for me I have a very large cash position which I call cash I have a lot of two-year treasuries for example I won't go out on I won't go out long duration I I there's no chance I'm lending the US government money at 4% for 10 years because if you said over the next 10 years what's inflation going to do to me boy it could be a disaster so I'll only go out two years and I and again according to my math I'm probably losing money but I'm losing money to maintain what a lot of people I call optionality”
Jonathan Turley's book 'The Indispensable Right' documents the 250-year history of the struggle for free speech in America, showing that free speech cycles—getting suppressed in bad times and restored in good times—but Turley expresses doubt about whether the US will escape the current suppression cycle.
“Jonathan Jonathan turley's book is a mustre the indispensable right it's about the right to free speech and that's what Co taught us we didn't have you could not speak up against it you could not speak up against Ukraine you could not speak up against heaven forbid someone touch Israel Gaza oh my god um turle tells a history of the battle for free speech and the good news is it cycles and say okay when times get tough Free Speech gets stepped on and it's been going on for 250 years this cycling it's a very scholarly and riveting book those two don't go together well I urge everyone to read it here's the problem the good news is that cycles and therefore will Cy out presumably the bad news is turle when he does interviews says and he's a brilliant uh legal scholar he says I am not sure we're gonna get out of this one”
Colum's personal gold positioning: cost basis starting at $270/ounce, accumulated up to $457/ounce, stopped buying, then made another large purchase when gold sat at $1,200, representing roughly 20% of total net worth in physical gold plus another 10% in gold funds like Central Fund of Canada.
“my cost basis on my gold by the way for the record starts at $270 an ounce I bought from 270 up to about 457 stopped and then when it sat at 1,200 for what seemed felt like eternity I bought another Wad and I haven't bought any since... I I have probably um to to physical gold I have probably exposure to the extent of um maybe 20% of my total net worth which my total net worth includes my house and stuff like that so so so that's a lot of physical gold and then probably another 10% in things like Central fund of Canada which I'm pretty comfortable owning”
Max Kaiser and Stacy Herbert, early Bitcoin adopters, have accumulated enough wealth (likely >$1 billion) that they 'don't have trouble paying heating bills,' suggesting early-mover returns in Bitcoin were extraordinary but unavailable to later participants.
“I did a couple podcast I said I'm guessing you guys don't have trouble paying paying the heating bills well they're hanging out in El Salvador so I don't know that uh that's probably the air conditioning bills that they need to worry about most of the time”
Colum expects gold could reach $5,000 within two years, though this is speculative; he has no price targets for early 2025 and emphasizes that his price forecasts are just opinions from an organic chemist and should not be taken as investment advice.
“could gold get the 5,000 in the next two years yeah I think so but by early 2025 I don't have any idea so 5,000 gold in the next two years and again it's not necessar but I'm just guessing I'm just guessing I I literally anyone who actually takes what I just said to the bank should should get a CAT scan it's just it's just it's an opinion of an organic chemist”
The early- to mid-2000s, when Collum achieved 133% annualized returns during the dot-com crash, represents the greatest trading decade; by contrast, the 2010s (when broader markets returned ~12% annually) yielded only ~4% for Collum due to his cautious positioning for a correction that came much later.
“my greatest decade was the knots when everyone else was getting crushed by two bear markets I compounded 133% my worst decade 133% per year my worst decade were the teens while everyone was partying like like it was a drunken orgy I was hunkered down still because I didn't think it was over and I got some 4% a year out of the teens”